Let's Optimize: Child 3: Noire

#1Dragonboy86Posted 5/12/2013 3:15:43 PM
Hello and welcome to a series on optimization. This topic was inspired by this one:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/643003-fire-emblem-awakening/66104587

So this topic is a sort of spiritual successor to that topic, but with more focus on a specific character rather than a scattered few.

The purpose of this topic is the following:
1) To investigate new potential pairings
2 To explore old ones and see if there are more variants of builds
3) Debate older ones in an intelligent and polite manner (At least I hope so)
4) To create a directory for newer players who want to min/max or want to play around with pairings.

So how this is going to work is that I list and analyze at least 3 of his possible Fathers and list his father's most desired skills/classes/mods.

So without further ado, I present to you Blood-Lusting Anemic, Noire

Gaius!Noire

This pairing has a lot of versatility in terms of skills and classes. She can definitely play support or frontliner with the stuff she gets from Gaius. In terms of mods, she gets +3 SPD and a +2 MAG, and 1+STR, which is some pretty good distribution. As for skills, she gets innate Luna and Dual guard while she can get Vantage from the Myrmidon Tree, which lets her do the infamous Sorcerer Tank build. Lastly, she gets Sol/Counter from Gaius if he passes it down. As for builds, you can do any Physical, Magic, or support build since Gaius offers a lot of class distribution and good mods, but a couple of your builds will depend on what you pass down from Gaius so choose wisely.

Safe Positioning Sniper:
Luna
Galeforce
Bowfaire
Pavise/Counter
Limit Break

Assassin Galeforce Support:
Luna/Astra
Galeforce
Bowfaire/Swordfaire
Dual Guard+
Limit Break

Sorcerer Tank:
Vantage
Sol
Anathema
Dual Guard+/Hit Rate+20
Limit Break

Vengeful Sorcerer:
Vantage
Vengeance
Anathema
All Stats+2/Pavise
Limit Break

Gregor! Noire
Gregor offers relatively the same thing Gaius does, but she doesn't get Galeforce sadly. However, she gets Armsthrift and Sol without having it to be passed. As a result, she can freely get Counter from Gregor. In mods, she gets +2 STR, +2 MAG, and + 2 DEF, which is pretty balanced and efficient. Not much else to say to be honest, but she is still pretty good.

Armsthrift Sorcerer:
Armsthrift
Sol Vantage
Anathema/Dual Guard+
Limit Break

Frontline Sniper:
Luna
Counter/Pavise
Lifetaker/Renewal
Bowfaire/Armsthrift
Limit Break

Note: Use Bowfaire/Lifetaker/Counter for Brave Bow Shenanigans. Pavise/Renewal/Armsthrift for a little more survival. Definitely a harder build to optimize.

Left at the Altar (A fun, but effective Bride build I came up with).
Vengeance
Vantage
Armsthift/Lancefaire or Bowfaire
Pavise/Counter
Limit Break.

Note: Use one of the -faires if you want to use Brave Weapons.

Ricken! Noire

Even though Ricken is needed elsewhere, if you have him available, then he is a great father. In Mods, she gets +4 MAG, which is pretty high. Plus, he offers the Cavelier tree for PavGis combo. In addition, she gets Sage, which means she can be a DF support. It may be a little limited in Classes, but the classes she does get, she does them well.

Sage Support:
Tomefaire
Dual Guard+/Aegis
Pavise
Luna/All Stat+2
Limit Break

PavGis Sorcerer:
Pavise
Aegis
Luna/Vengeance
Tomefaire
Limit Break

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#2Dragonboy86(Topic Creator)Posted 5/12/2013 3:16:13 PM
Stahl! Noire
Another strange pairing, but once more, it works. +3 DEF and +2 MAG is pretty great. She gets the PavGis combo like Ricken. Unfortunately, you pretty much make Noire a Sorcerer with this father because all the other classes she can switch to is relatively mediocre. Still a good father.

Sorcerer:
Pavise
Aegis
Vantage/All Stats+2
Luna/Vengeance
Limit Break.

Overall:
Noire may not get everything she wants with the fathers she gets (sans MU), but what she does get, she can make it work well.

There are other pairings, but let's start out with these guys so we can have a discussion. See something you don't like? Debate it. See something that can be improved upon? Post it. Found an underrated/good pairing that no one else knows about want to talk about it? Tell us. As long as you need it's about the character in the topic title.
Let's have a good discussion.

Note: I'm studying for mid-terms so there might be somethings I missed (pairings or skills) so cut me a little slack this time.

References:

TSON enemy Data (Thank MichaelXC for this one):
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/643003-fire-emblem-awakening/66034255

Serenes Forest Links:
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/char_max_all.html (Maximum Stats Calculator)
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/skills.html (Skills List)

The weapons lists is too big so just head to the serenes forest site for that and other goodies.

So let's have a good discussion about Noire!

The next topic will be a male child so vote for the next boy.
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#3DemiseEndPosted 5/12/2013 3:20:45 PM
I suppose the Pavise stuff can be posted here


Pavise vs Aegis on Super Nostank


Pavise is the more notable of the pair. Why? womens can become a Bride for Res bonus, Pavise covers the rest of Physical durability. This is more notable on Noire, who has a mom with DG+. Tharja, as I said before is the best Bride of Gen 1, bar Sumia.


Mini SuperTank Nosferatu Noire


Donnel!Noire
Sorcerer

Luna/Sol
Pavise
Limit Break/filler
Armthrift
Galeforce/filler

With

Tharja

DG+
Anathema
Bond
Limit Break
Bowfaire
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#4Dragonboy86(Topic Creator)Posted 5/12/2013 3:48:03 PM
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#5KamiikorosuPosted 5/12/2013 3:49:33 PM
What about Gaius!Noire as a Dark Flier to support a sorc?
#6Dragonboy86(Topic Creator)Posted 5/12/2013 4:18:55 PM
Kamiikorosu posted...
What about Gaius!Noire as a Dark Flier to support a sorc?


I didn't really think about it at the time cuz she doesn't really have tomefaire, but it's still viable.

Luna
Lifetaker
Anathema
All Stats+2
Limit breaker.

There is a better build, but I'm really exhausted right now and can't think much.
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#7Smelly_GoombaPosted 5/12/2013 4:25:47 PM
Do you think it's worth putting the weapon you should use when using a particular build?
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#8HeoandReoPosted 5/12/2013 4:32:14 PM
Donny!Noire does the whole support thing a little better, with Dual Support+ and Dual Guard+ along with providing Anathema duty. She also makes an alright General with Lancefaire, Pavise, Armsthrift and Sol. No Aegis or Resistance+10, but as Demise said, you can give her a Bride to pair up with to make up for it a little.

Donny!Noire is actually really viable. I know I trash it mostly because Donny's mods are awful and he still doesn't give her everything she wants to be more than an average Sorcerer, but she's still workable in a variety of sets and performs okay at most of them. A jack of all trades, master of none sort of thing.

Noire is probably one of the most difficult kids to really optimize in my opinion since most of her options leave her wanting on at least one important thing, so you have to shoehorn her into a completely different role every time. She needs the Avatar to be broken (well, most kids do) and she would like Gregor to be great in an ideal world, but since both fathers are very much desired by other kids who make better use of them, you usually have to work with the leftovers if you're not giving her Gregor or the Avatar. (Though I could probably make a case for Noire making the best use of the Avatar overall.)
#9A_WEIRD_DUDEPosted 5/12/2013 4:37:50 PM
Smelly_Goomba posted...
Do you think it's worth putting the weapon you should use when using a particular build?


If he did, there would be a lot of redundancy with a lot of builds. If I'm looking at this right, he assumes that most players know the optimal weapon. From what I've noticed, there is a trend with a lot of builds...

Dark Fliers: Celica's Gale
Sages: Celica's Gale/Thoron
Sword Wielders: Ragnell/Forged Brave Swords
Sorcerers (No Armsthrift); Forged Nosferatu
Armsthrift Sorcerers: Aversa's Night
Axe Wielders: Helsrath
Lance Wielders: Gradivus
Bows (Snipers): Forged Longbow/Double Bow, Yewfielle
Bows (Non-Snipers): Brave Bow/Yewfielle
Crit Builds: Weapon with the highest Critical Rate for the class they are ending.
Manakete/Taguel:...Need I really explain this one?

For references on weapons, see here:

http://serenesforest.net/fe13/sword.html (Swords)
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/lance.html (Lances)
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/axe.html (Axes)
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/bow.html (Bows)
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/tome.html (Tomes)
http://serenesforest.net/fe13/stone.html (Stones)

HeoandReo posted...
Donny!Noire does the whole support thing a little better, with Dual Support+ and Dual Guard+ along with providing Anathema duty. She also makes an alright General with Lancefaire, Pavise, Armsthrift and Sol. No Aegis or Resistance+10, but as Demise said, you can give her a Bride to pair up with to make up for it a little.

Donny!Noire is actually really viable. I know I trash it mostly because Donny's mods are awful and he still doesn't give her everything she wants to be more than an average Sorcerer, but she's still workable in a variety of sets and performs okay at most of them. A jack of all trades, master of none sort of thing.

Noire is probably one of the most difficult kids to really optimize in my opinion since most of her options leave her wanting on at least one important thing, so you have to shoehorn her into a completely different role every time. She needs the Avatar to be broken (well, most kids do) and she would like Gregor to be great in an ideal world, but since both fathers are very much desired by other kids who make better use of them, you usually have to work with the leftovers if you're not giving her Gregor or the Avatar. (Though I could probably make a case for Noire making the best use of the Avatar overall.)


Funnily enough, you saved me the trouble of lecturing Dragonboy on Donnel!Noire. I always liked this pairing for those exact reasons.

Sucks you need MU to make Noire up to par with the rest of the kids.
#10Smelly_GoombaPosted 5/12/2013 4:53:57 PM
From: A_WEIRD_DUDE | #009
Dark Fliers: Celica's Gale
Sages: Celica's Gale/Thoron
Sword Wielders: Ragnell/Forged Brave Swords
Sorcerers (No Armsthrift); Forged Nosferatu
Armsthrift Sorcerers: Aversa's Night
Axe Wielders: Helsrath
Lance Wielders: Gradivus
Bows (Snipers): Forged Longbow/Double Bow, Yewfielle
Bows (Non-Snipers): Brave Bow/Yewfielle
Crit Builds: Weapon with the highest Critical Rate for the class they are ending.
Manakete/Taguel:...Need I really explain this one?

hahah this is exactly why I asked the question.

Much thanks.
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