Who will you use against Apotheosis' boss? (spoilers)

#1the_ice_phoenixPosted 6/23/2013 11:52:26 PM
Some rough calculations indicate that my Morgan will deal, on average, about 129 damage to Anna in one round in Apotheosis.

Interesting finding:

Luna > Aether versus Anna, due to higher activation rate.

Key stats:

Sumia!Lucina!Morgan

Relevant skills: Limit Breaker, Aether, Luna

Weapon: Celica's Gale with +5 might, +15 hit.

Hit rate versus Anna: 86% per hit for Morgan, 84% per hit for Laurent, her husband. (True hit NOT applied to these stats.)

Attack power after rallies: 83 (x2)

Expected damage, normalised for hit and activation rates:
Aether: 37.4
Luna: 41.0
Normal attack: 6.1
Dual Strike: 44.6
Total: 129

Morgan's speed will be 66 after rallies, allowing her to double Anna - thankfully, she probably won't need to be able to double. Morgan's base avoid will be only 128%, so her chances of survival are slim if Aether, Luna or a Dual Strike fails to activate.
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#2Huff n puff 20Posted 6/24/2013 1:06:23 AM
I used my Lon'qu!Severa on my "Iron Attack" (which was basically the most awesome thing ever. No Galeforce! No Armsthrift! Iron Weapons/Elfire/Javelins/Hand Axes/Heal/Mend/Rescue Only! Apotheosis Destination.)

What LQ!Sev with a Vaike!Gerome pair up does under normal conditions.

HP ST MG SK SP LK DF RS
80 54 40 62 58 55 49 44 Severa's Stats
85 56 42 64 60 57 51 46 Tonics
85 66 52 66 70 71 61 56 Rallies
85 76 55 69 78 74 64 59 Pair Up

80 67 39 46 55 55 47 37 Gerome's Stats
85 68 41 48 57 57 49 39 Tonics
85 78 51 58 67 67 59 49 Rallies
85 93 51 58 67 67 59 49 Skills (Aggressor counted as +10 STR)

Weapon MT (Forged Brave Axe): 17 MT
Weapon HT (Forged Brave Axe): 75 HIT

Anna's Stats
HP ST MG SK SP LK DF RS
99 60 50 70 70 65 55 55

Weapon MT (Hack Forged Spear): 16 MT
Weapon HT (Hack Forged Spear): 90 HIT

Calculations:
Chance to Dual Strike: 91%
Chance to Dual Guard: 40%
+15 HIT

Anna Aether Chance: 65%
Anna Hit: 227 (Weapon Rank Bonus Negated due to Axes)
Severa Avoid: 154

Total Hit Chance (Anna)
Anna Hit: 212 (Weapon Triangle Disadvantage)
Severa Avoid: 204 (Lancebreaker)
Severa Avoid: 214 (Support)
Anna Hit Chance: 0%

Severa Hit: 225
Anna Avoid: 137

Total Hit Chance:
Severa: 240 (Weapon Triangle Advantage)
Severa Hit: 290 (Lancebreaker)
Severa Hit: 305 (Support)
Severa Hit Chance: 100%

Gerome Hit: 205
Gerome Hit: 225 (Weapon Triangle Advantage)
Gerome Hit: 275 (Lancebreaker)
Gerome Hit Chance: 100%

Damage:
Anna: irrelevant, cannot hit

Severa: 76 STR, 17MT Weapon, 1 WRB, 1WTA
Total ATK: 95
Anna Defense: 55
Total MT before Skills: 40
Damage per Hit: 20

Gerome: 93 Effective STR, 17 MT Weapon, 1 WRB, 1 WTA
Total ATK: 112
Total MT: 57
Damage per Dual Strike Hit: 28


Outcome:
Anna: Miss/Dual Guarded
Severa: 20 (Recieves 20 from Counter)
Gerome: 56
Severa (Brave): 20 (Recieves 20 from Counter)
Gerome: Kill

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#3the_ice_phoenix(Topic Creator)Posted 6/24/2013 1:09:27 AM
^ Those numbers ... so beautiful ...
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#4DemiseEndPosted 6/24/2013 1:18:03 AM
Are you seriously calculating against a boss who gets one rounded by a character with 38 str?
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#5MAtt5TERPosted 6/24/2013 1:53:19 AM(edited)
From: the_ice_phoenix | #001
Luna > Aether versus Anna, due to higher activation rate.


Yes, but you should have then taken a step further:
Luna+Ignis > Luna+Aether
in this case.

Also, your setup isn't all that optimized. Heck, I managed higher numbers without Limit Breaker:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-23tshILxwGc/UaPkOvaZVrI/AAAAAAAAANQ/buWehNLIsic/w486-h648-no/IMG_20130527_153219.png
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vEp2TlimLVA/UaPkOYRG39I/AAAAAAAAANM/72hC05nyImo/w486-h648-no/IMG_20130527_153059.png

Your numbers:
Morgan's Hit: 86%
Attack: 83
Supporter's Dual Strike rate: 84%

My numbers:
Morgan's Hit: 96% - (25% from support and Charm)
Attack: 85 - (10 from Aggessor)
Supporter's Dual Strike rate: 82%

Not sure how you are calculating normalized damage. I'm not getting those numbers. What I do know is that a 89.7% chance to activate Luna or Ignis (x4) is more useful than Luna+Aether.
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#6marthsheretooPosted 6/24/2013 4:26:40 AM
To be honest, I just Mire'd her to death.
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#7SazukeEXPosted 6/24/2013 4:36:06 AM
Vaike!Gerome isn't worth it as he cannot tank and he sure as heck can't skirmish or lead. Frederick only gives 1 less STR but far better skills and allows Gerome to off tank if need be. The best father's for Gerome are Frederick/Stahl/Henry/Kellam.
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#8Huff n puff 20Posted 6/24/2013 4:41:37 AM
SazukeEX posted...
Vaike!Gerome isn't worth it as he cannot tank and he sure as heck can't skirmish or lead. Frederick only gives 1 less STR but far better skills and allows Gerome to off tank if need be. The best father's for Gerome are Frederick/Stahl/Henry/Kellam.


1 less? Try at least 6. Fred's only saving grace there is General which matches 'zerker.
But, whoops, no Axefaire.
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#9SazukeEXPosted 6/24/2013 4:51:01 AM(edited)
Huff n puff 20 posted...
SazukeEX posted...
Vaike!Gerome isn't worth it as he cannot tank and he sure as heck can't skirmish or lead. Frederick only gives 1 less STR but far better skills and allows Gerome to off tank if need be. The best father's for Gerome are Frederick/Stahl/Henry/Kellam.


1 less? Try at least 6. Fred's only saving grace there is General which matches 'zerker.
But, whoops, no Axefaire.


Axefaire is on Henry as well with Henry giving Anathema too along with Dual Support+ making Henry!Gerome the hardest hitting Crit Tank supporter in the game. Pair with with a lover that has Vantage/Wrath/Dual Support+(Such as Manakete MU/Gregor!Nah) and watch Nah crit everywhere and back while tanking it up through Vantage/Wrath/Sol/DS+/Limit Breaker.

For the ultimate MU!Gerome + Gregor!Nah Crit Tanking Manakete.

MU!Gerome

Limit Breaker
Anathema
Dual Guard+
Axefaire
Dual Support+

Supporting...

Gregor!Nah

Limit Breaker
Vantage
Wrath
Sol
Dual Support+

Screwed around with this in my newest Lunatic+ file with Nah and Gerome A ranked with everyone else while S ranked with each other. Worked like a charm despite DS+ not even having any crit on it.

Though Crit Owain skirmishing with Gale Force + Sol Katti is awesome as well.
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