Arcticle regaring Team Ninja

#11eric_otnessPosted 5/2/2013 9:57:34 PM
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
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If you guys want to do a mass tweeting fest for DOAX3, be my guest as I can't stop you. I'm not gonna tweet in support of it, though. I know that if DOAX3 is going to be made, they may actually do nudity as an experiment on something new to do for the game (They added in new activities in DOAX2, theres no reason they won't add in new things for DOAX3). Heck, they added in a poledance minigame for DOAX2/DOAP, despite stating that they won't be doing things that show girls in an negatively objectified light (and let's not even get into the visor trick in the first Xtreme), and since female nudity/sex is clearly not simply a qualifier for an AO rating anymore (as Resident Evil 6 and The Witcher proved), I have no doubt in my mind that they will end up doing a nude beach option, either complete or topless, and Itagaki, not being part of the team anymore, won't be able to stop them. Heck, if Nakamura could admit that they'd consider fans ************ a success, there really is no low they could go down to to ensure success in sales, even female nudity.

Heck, one of the facebook fan pages in support of DOAX3 even showed nude images of the girls from DOA5 that were barely censored (one of which even failed to completely cover Lei Fang I think's... ahem... waist) and potentially one of Kasumi from DOAX3 (it was listed separately from the DOA5 ones). Thankfully, that FB page did not have a linked website, meaning there weren't likely to be uncensored images available outside of the person maintaining the page's server. I've already gone to confession more than enough times for viewing images of the DOA females nude, and watching videos of the same subject, among others. I really don't wish to have to undergo that again or worse, aid in it. Only reason I haven't sinned now is because I covered them with my arms as a makeshift censor to ensure I don't see anything.

Then again, considering how DOAP (a PSP port for DOAX2) obviously succeeded in broadening the audience for DOA, and restarting the series (goals made explicitly clear by Art Director Nakamura), and even stated that ************ would count as a success in goals.


I highly doubt they would ever have any kind of nude mode in DOAX3. Something like that would easily make in an AO game. I haven't played either RE6 or The Witcher. But making the girls completely nude wouldn't really fly in the gaming world.


Deborah, a boss in RE6, was shown to be completely nude throughout her boss fight. Ada Wong was briefly shown nude in the beginning of her campaign (sorry, I thought the diving suit was a wetsuit until I was corrected on that) in the same game. Lastly, Carla Radames was seen nude during flashbacks to her "rebirth" as Ada-two. That game was rated M, despite the Deborah boss fight alone making it a contender for an AO rated game. Just watch the youtube videos if you don't believe me.

The Witcher series had Tress Merrigold having sex with the main protagonist twice, on-screen in fact. That alone should have granted the series an AO rating. Then there's her appearance as the covergirl/centerfold of the Polish edition of Playboy and her appearance in a live calendar from Russia, all in her birthday suit. Both games, certainly Witcher 2, were rated M despite that. Again, just go to youtube if you have trouble believing me.

In any case, considering Art Director Nakamura's comments after Paradise's release (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Paradise#cite_note-videogamer1-18 Can't link directly to the article due to the title using the m-word, which is banned here on Gamefaqs), there's absolutely no limit they will go to make sure they get sales, even minimal, meaning they are most likely perfectly willing to use even full nudity or toplessness in DOAX3 if it meant getting some sales and getting success.
#12RX_93_Nu_GundamPosted 5/2/2013 10:53:11 PM
Regarding the nude scenes were you able to see anything? Mass Effect has sex scenes, too, but you can't see any "features". TN won't risk an AO rating. The ESRB determines if the game will have that kind of rating. AO will probably result in less sales. From a business standpoint, this a bad idea. Sometimes you can get away with nudity in a video game. Elizabet in NG2 comes time mind (she was naked, but covered in blood ).
#13eric_otnessPosted 5/2/2013 11:08:28 PM(edited)
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
Regarding the nude scenes were you able to see anything? Mass Effect has sex scenes, too, but you can't see any "features". TN won't risk an AO rating. The ESRB determines if the game will have that kind of rating. AO will probably result in less sales. From a business standpoint, this a bad idea. Sometimes you can get away with nudity in a video game. Elizabet in NG2 comes time mind (she was naked, but covered in blood ).


Other than the butt, not exactly, and the nipples weren't present, but the bodies were still detailed enough to render an AO rating necessary, yet it still got an M rating.

I haven't played the Witcher or seen the sex cutscenes (nor do I plan to), but I can link you to Tress Merigold's article for proof. The scenes are shown right there on her article. http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Merigold. Also, there were uncensored versions of the cards, although the second apparently might have shown her nipples based on how the article specified the censored second card. From what I've read of The Witcher 2, that game had enough sexual content to actually have its PC version from being sold in Australia. AUSTRALIA! Considering they got away with some rather lewd things (such as having a young girl drink a bottle shaped like a certain male organ on a reality show here: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/13/HBO-Children-Sex-Toys And before you claim that its on American HBO, let me point out that the series originated in Australia.), that's saying quite a lot.
#14RX_93_Nu_GundamPosted 5/3/2013 12:11:30 AM
eric_otness posted...
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
Regarding the nude scenes were you able to see anything? Mass Effect has sex scenes, too, but you can't see any "features". TN won't risk an AO rating. The ESRB determines if the game will have that kind of rating. AO will probably result in less sales. From a business standpoint, this a bad idea. Sometimes you can get away with nudity in a video game. Elizabet in NG2 comes time mind (she was naked, but covered in blood ).


Other than the butt, not exactly, and the nipples weren't present, but the bodies were still detailed enough to render an AO rating necessary, yet it still got an M rating.

I haven't played the Witcher or seen the sex cutscenes (nor do I plan to), but I can link you to Tress Merigold's article for proof. The scenes are shown right there on her article. http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Merigold. Also, there were uncensored versions of the cards, although the second apparently might have shown her nipples based on how the article specified the censored second card. From what I've read of The Witcher 2, that game had enough sexual content to actually have its PC version from being sold in Australia. AUSTRALIA! Considering they got away with some rather lewd things (such as having a young girl drink a bottle shaped like a certain male organ on a reality show here: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/13/HBO-Children-Sex-Toys And before you claim that its on American HBO, let me point out that the series originated in Australia.), that's saying quite a lot.


Without showing nipples or any other feature, I can't say how effective a nude mode in DOA will be. The characters are going be covered in some way, unless the features are just blank. I doubt fans will find that attractive. Also, laws regarding nudity in games in different countries will vary. As I pointed out, a full blown nude mode won't fly with the ESRB. It'll receive an AO rating. If RE6 didn't receive an AO rating it's because there wasn't enough nudity to merit one. Seeing a woman's bare butt isn't enough to merit one.
#15eric_otnessPosted 5/3/2013 6:32:34 AM(edited)
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
eric_otness posted...
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
Regarding the nude scenes were you able to see anything? Mass Effect has sex scenes, too, but you can't see any "features". TN won't risk an AO rating. The ESRB determines if the game will have that kind of rating. AO will probably result in less sales. From a business standpoint, this a bad idea. Sometimes you can get away with nudity in a video game. Elizabet in NG2 comes time mind (she was naked, but covered in blood ).


Other than the butt, not exactly, and the nipples weren't present, but the bodies were still detailed enough to render an AO rating necessary, yet it still got an M rating.

I haven't played the Witcher or seen the sex cutscenes (nor do I plan to), but I can link you to Tress Merigold's article for proof. The scenes are shown right there on her article. http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Merigold. Also, there were uncensored versions of the cards, although the second apparently might have shown her nipples based on how the article specified the censored second card. From what I've read of The Witcher 2, that game had enough sexual content to actually have its PC version from being sold in Australia. AUSTRALIA! Considering they got away with some rather lewd things (such as having a young girl drink a bottle shaped like a certain male organ on a reality show here: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/04/13/HBO-Children-Sex-Toys And before you claim that its on American HBO, let me point out that the series originated in Australia.), that's saying quite a lot.


Without showing nipples or any other feature, I can't say how effective a nude mode in DOA will be. The characters are going be covered in some way, unless the features are just blank. I doubt fans will find that attractive. Also, laws regarding nudity in games in different countries will vary. As I pointed out, a full blown nude mode won't fly with the ESRB. It'll receive an AO rating. If RE6 didn't receive an AO rating it's because there wasn't enough nudity to merit one. Seeing a woman's bare butt isn't enough to merit one.


We do see Deborah's boobs, though, nippleless or not, and its explicit anyways, not covered in shadows, so Deborah at least was still detailed enough to warrant an AO rating. And call me cynical, but going by Nakamura's statements in that link that I had sent you in that PM, I doubt even an AO rating (assuming they do indeed get one should they implement one, which the Witcher series at the very least caused me to doubt) would stop Team Ninja from implementing one. I also don't trust them at their word that they don't want to issue softcore porn or stuff like that. If they wanted players to you-know-what with the girls in Paradise, or at the very least consider that a success (wouldn't that inherently contradict their not wanting that?), I doubt they'd have qualms with inserting one, even if ESRB does. Besides, they also claimed they didn't wish to objectify the girls in a negative light in DOAX2 when citing why they didn't implement trampoline games or wet t-shirt contests, yet somehow poledancing is perfectly all right? Despite it being even more of an objectification of them than the prior two? Yeah, I don't trust them at their word. Maybe if they didn't implement that poledance minigame, and maybe if Nakamura did not say that aspect, I'd probably trust them more if they said they wouldn't implement a nude mode or anything like that.
#16RX_93_Nu_GundamPosted 5/3/2013 12:07:17 PM
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We do see Deborah's boobs, though, nippleless or not, and its explicit anyways, not covered in shadows, so Deborah at least was still detailed enough to warrant an AO rating. And call me cynical, but going by Nakamura's statements in that link that I had sent you in that PM, I doubt even an AO rating (assuming they do indeed get one should they implement one, which the Witcher series at the very least caused me to doubt) would stop Team Ninja from implementing one. I also don't trust them at their word that they don't want to issue softcore porn or stuff like that. If they wanted players to you-know-what with the girls in Paradise, or at the very least consider that a success (wouldn't that inherently contradict their not wanting that?), I doubt they'd have qualms with inserting one, even if ESRB does. Besides, they also claimed they didn't wish to objectify the girls in a negative light in DOAX2 when citing why they didn't implement trampoline games or wet t-shirt contests, yet somehow poledancing is perfectly all right? Despite it being even more of an objectification of them than the prior two? Yeah, I don't trust them at their word. Maybe if they didn't implement that poledance minigame, and maybe if Nakamura did not say that aspect, I'd probably trust them more if they said they wouldn't implement a nude mode or anything like that.


I read the article you sent. I don't know...it seemed like Nakamura was joking. Even if he wasn't, I doubt TN wants to promote nudes in DOA. It's true that they did a poledance sequence in DOAX2, but there was also no nudity in that scene. I firmly believe that TN will likely do what they have always done in the past.. teasing the audience. There are plenty of scenes in DOAX/X2 where the character were "naked" but most of the features were covered in some way. Helena was basically naked in one scene in DOAX2 (I think) but she was covered in her blankets. Another scene of Helena shows her wearing an unbuttoned shirt but her nips were covered. TN likes do do things like this. It's basically teasing the audience.
#17HeROiiCsPosted 5/3/2013 1:37:12 PM
What if the game shipped without full nudity but had a day-1 dlc for full nudity? Then it's a choice and can be blocked by parents. Would it still rate an AO?
#18eric_otnessPosted 5/3/2013 1:56:42 PM
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
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We do see Deborah's boobs, though, nippleless or not, and its explicit anyways, not covered in shadows, so Deborah at least was still detailed enough to warrant an AO rating. And call me cynical, but going by Nakamura's statements in that link that I had sent you in that PM, I doubt even an AO rating (assuming they do indeed get one should they implement one, which the Witcher series at the very least caused me to doubt) would stop Team Ninja from implementing one. I also don't trust them at their word that they don't want to issue softcore porn or stuff like that. If they wanted players to you-know-what with the girls in Paradise, or at the very least consider that a success (wouldn't that inherently contradict their not wanting that?), I doubt they'd have qualms with inserting one, even if ESRB does. Besides, they also claimed they didn't wish to objectify the girls in a negative light in DOAX2 when citing why they didn't implement trampoline games or wet t-shirt contests, yet somehow poledancing is perfectly all right? Despite it being even more of an objectification of them than the prior two? Yeah, I don't trust them at their word. Maybe if they didn't implement that poledance minigame, and maybe if Nakamura did not say that aspect, I'd probably trust them more if they said they wouldn't implement a nude mode or anything like that.


I read the article you sent. I don't know...it seemed like Nakamura was joking. Even if he wasn't, I doubt TN wants to promote nudes in DOA. It's true that they did a poledance sequence in DOAX2, but there was also no nudity in that scene. I firmly believe that TN will likely do what they have always done in the past.. teasing the audience. There are plenty of scenes in DOAX/X2 where the character were "naked" but most of the features were covered in some way. Helena was basically naked in one scene in DOAX2 (I think) but she was covered in her blankets. Another scene of Helena shows her wearing an unbuttoned shirt but her nips were covered. TN likes do do things like this. It's basically teasing the audience.


Maybe, but then again, considering what the creators did with the BMX series with BMX XXX, we cannot be too sure, especially when a Hail Mary success such as Paradise revitalizing the DOA franchise will get writers to be extremely cocky and take extremely risky maneuvers (and you have to admit, a game that only sold .13 million copies globally should not have been sufficient enough to revitalize the DOA franchise, yet it did obviously do just that as DOA5 can attest, hence why I'm calling the success a "Hail Mary," after the Football pass). Besides, my point regarding the poledance sequence in DOAX2 was that they implemented it in DESPITE saying that they didn't want to objectify the girls sexually or anything like that, which comes across as extremely disingenous and almost hypocritical, even if there wasn't nudity. If they were able to do that, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind they will, eventually, try that route.
#19RX_93_Nu_GundamPosted 5/3/2013 3:18:37 PM
eric_otness posted...
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
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We do see Deborah's boobs, though, nippleless or not, and its explicit anyways, not covered in shadows, so Deborah at least was still detailed enough to warrant an AO rating. And call me cynical, but going by Nakamura's statements in that link that I had sent you in that PM, I doubt even an AO rating (assuming they do indeed get one should they implement one, which the Witcher series at the very least caused me to doubt) would stop Team Ninja from implementing one. I also don't trust them at their word that they don't want to issue softcore porn or stuff like that. If they wanted players to you-know-what with the girls in Paradise, or at the very least consider that a success (wouldn't that inherently contradict their not wanting that?), I doubt they'd have qualms with inserting one, even if ESRB does. Besides, they also claimed they didn't wish to objectify the girls in a negative light in DOAX2 when citing why they didn't implement trampoline games or wet t-shirt contests, yet somehow poledancing is perfectly all right? Despite it being even more of an objectification of them than the prior two? Yeah, I don't trust them at their word. Maybe if they didn't implement that poledance minigame, and maybe if Nakamura did not say that aspect, I'd probably trust them more if they said they wouldn't implement a nude mode or anything like that.


I read the article you sent. I don't know...it seemed like Nakamura was joking. Even if he wasn't, I doubt TN wants to promote nudes in DOA. It's true that they did a poledance sequence in DOAX2, but there was also no nudity in that scene. I firmly believe that TN will likely do what they have always done in the past.. teasing the audience. There are plenty of scenes in DOAX/X2 where the character were "naked" but most of the features were covered in some way. Helena was basically naked in one scene in DOAX2 (I think) but she was covered in her blankets. Another scene of Helena shows her wearing an unbuttoned shirt but her nips were covered. TN likes do do things like this. It's basically teasing the audience.


Maybe, but then again, considering what the creators did with the BMX series with BMX XXX, we cannot be too sure, especially when a Hail Mary success such as Paradise revitalizing the DOA franchise will get writers to be extremely cocky and take extremely risky maneuvers (and you have to admit, a game that only sold .13 million copies globally should not have been sufficient enough to revitalize the DOA franchise, yet it did obviously do just that as DOA5 can attest, hence why I'm calling the success a "Hail Mary," after the Football pass). Besides, my point regarding the poledance sequence in DOAX2 was that they implemented it in DESPITE saying that they didn't want to objectify the girls sexually or anything like that, which comes across as extremely disingenous and almost hypocritical, even if there wasn't nudity. If they were able to do that, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind they will, eventually, try that route.


Try what route? Going for nudity? That's not gonna happen. Even if TN wanted a quick cash grab, nudity is hardly the way to go. Even in DOA 5 when the fan base wanted more bikinis TN gave them that but they didn't give fans nudity. There is a line that TN won't cross even if the fans demand it.
#20eric_otnessPosted 5/3/2013 3:28:24 PM
RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
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RX_93_Nu_Gundam posted...
eric_otness posted...


We do see Deborah's boobs, though, nippleless or not, and its explicit anyways, not covered in shadows, so Deborah at least was still detailed enough to warrant an AO rating. And call me cynical, but going by Nakamura's statements in that link that I had sent you in that PM, I doubt even an AO rating (assuming they do indeed get one should they implement one, which the Witcher series at the very least caused me to doubt) would stop Team Ninja from implementing one. I also don't trust them at their word that they don't want to issue softcore porn or stuff like that. If they wanted players to you-know-what with the girls in Paradise, or at the very least consider that a success (wouldn't that inherently contradict their not wanting that?), I doubt they'd have qualms with inserting one, even if ESRB does. Besides, they also claimed they didn't wish to objectify the girls in a negative light in DOAX2 when citing why they didn't implement trampoline games or wet t-shirt contests, yet somehow poledancing is perfectly all right? Despite it being even more of an objectification of them than the prior two? Yeah, I don't trust them at their word. Maybe if they didn't implement that poledance minigame, and maybe if Nakamura did not say that aspect, I'd probably trust them more if they said they wouldn't implement a nude mode or anything like that.


I read the article you sent. I don't know...it seemed like Nakamura was joking. Even if he wasn't, I doubt TN wants to promote nudes in DOA. It's true that they did a poledance sequence in DOAX2, but there was also no nudity in that scene. I firmly believe that TN will likely do what they have always done in the past.. teasing the audience. There are plenty of scenes in DOAX/X2 where the character were "naked" but most of the features were covered in some way. Helena was basically naked in one scene in DOAX2 (I think) but she was covered in her blankets. Another scene of Helena shows her wearing an unbuttoned shirt but her nips were covered. TN likes do do things like this. It's basically teasing the audience.


Maybe, but then again, considering what the creators did with the BMX series with BMX XXX, we cannot be too sure, especially when a Hail Mary success such as Paradise revitalizing the DOA franchise will get writers to be extremely cocky and take extremely risky maneuvers (and you have to admit, a game that only sold .13 million copies globally should not have been sufficient enough to revitalize the DOA franchise, yet it did obviously do just that as DOA5 can attest, hence why I'm calling the success a "Hail Mary," after the Football pass). Besides, my point regarding the poledance sequence in DOAX2 was that they implemented it in DESPITE saying that they didn't want to objectify the girls sexually or anything like that, which comes across as extremely disingenous and almost hypocritical, even if there wasn't nudity. If they were able to do that, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind they will, eventually, try that route.


Try what route? Going for nudity? That's not gonna happen. Even if TN wanted a quick cash grab, nudity is hardly the way to go. Even in DOA 5 when the fan base wanted more bikinis TN gave them that but they didn't give fans nudity. There is a line that TN won't cross even if the fans demand it.


Yeah, and I hope they don't. Nonetheless, hopeful that they won't do so or not hopeful, I'm still somewhat cynical as to what they might do. People probably didn't expect the BMX series to create BMX XXX, yet guess what? They did. If push comes to shove, they will cross that line. Besides, Nakamura's statement doesn't really give me too much comfort as to their not implementing it.