There needs to be a balance patch soon

#61creep50Posted 11/12/2012 7:27:17 PM
KenGi1226 posted...
creep50 posted...
laws lili ogre....all desperately need a buff

and mishimas have to be nerfed


this game is not balanced people can say skill>tiers all they want but that dosnt chance the fact that the game is unbalanced


Kane and Rip continue to kick ass in tournys with Lili and Law teams respectably.


right because rip was so happy about the chance......http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_6-SvtKlzc


have no idea about the other one


Officially pwn you right here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/652997-tekken-tag-tournament-2/64603225?page=1
As for Lili in TK6, you have no idea what are you saying:
http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/guides/141/tekken-6/851/character-tiers-list.html
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4038027


hmm might have been wrong about tekken 6 lili.....still dosnt justify how much she got nerfed in this one...is she was well balanced in that game than why would they nerf her so badly???
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#62majin nemesisPosted 11/12/2012 7:28:26 PM
they need to patch mokujin the guy is too strong
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#63_HeXPosted 11/12/2012 7:37:41 PM
Over 10 years and people still can't deal with Eddie/Christie. It's just sad.
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#64zhaoyun99Posted 11/12/2012 8:09:05 PM
creep50 posted...
KenGi1226 posted...
creep50 posted...
laws lili ogre....all desperately need a buff

and mishimas have to be nerfed


this game is not balanced people can say skill>tiers all they want but that dosnt chance the fact that the game is unbalanced


Kane and Rip continue to kick ass in tournys with Lili and Law teams respectably.


right because rip was so happy about the chance......http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_6-SvtKlzc


have no idea about the other one


Officially pwn you right here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/652997-tekken-tag-tournament-2/64603225?page=1
As for Lili in TK6, you have no idea what are you saying:
http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/guides/141/tekken-6/851/character-tiers-list.html
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4038027


hmm might have been wrong about tekken 6 lili.....still dosnt justify how much she got nerfed in this one...is she was well balanced in that game than why would they nerf her so badly???


So turn her into a not so noob friendly anymore character made her crap? Kane kicked ass with Lili and he still does. Also, some "REAL" fan of her can adapt her change just fine. I also saw her changes are unfair but that doesn't make her crap at all. The bears which are worse than her can still win a tourney. What make you think that some casts are viable and some are not unless you play UMVC3. Real Lili player like Kane can give you a run for your money. You sound like you never put anything that was said in the tier list into real test. Do think that just because you pick a Mishima that mean Automatic Win?What do you think there are really massive Law/F/ Laws right now? Not only noob but high level player as well? By that logic of yours, there should be a massive Steve players in Vanilla Tekken 5 instead yet they stick to their mains. By this game, the game was already balance enough. The updated tier list showed that lowest tier list was B like Guilty Gear and Blazblue. If you complain Mishima so much then how about using them yourself? Again like I said, show me a video of 20 consecutive EWGF or DEWGF and we can talk.
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#65STAR JillPosted 11/12/2012 8:40:58 PM
zhaoyun99 posted...
creep50 posted...
KenGi1226 posted...
creep50 posted...
laws lili ogre....all desperately need a buff

and mishimas have to be nerfed


this game is not balanced people can say skill>tiers all they want but that dosnt chance the fact that the game is unbalanced


Kane and Rip continue to kick ass in tournys with Lili and Law teams respectably.


right because rip was so happy about the chance......http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_6-SvtKlzc


have no idea about the other one


Officially pwn you right here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/652997-tekken-tag-tournament-2/64603225?page=1
As for Lili in TK6, you have no idea what are you saying:
http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/guides/141/tekken-6/851/character-tiers-list.html
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4038027


hmm might have been wrong about tekken 6 lili.....still dosnt justify how much she got nerfed in this one...is she was well balanced in that game than why would they nerf her so badly???


So turn her into a not so noob friendly anymore character made her crap? Kane kicked ass with Lili and he still does. Also, some "REAL" fan of her can adapt her change just fine. I also saw her changes are unfair but that doesn't make her crap at all. The bears which are worse than her can still win a tourney. What make you think that some casts are viable and some are not unless you play UMVC3. Real Lili player like Kane can give you a run for your money. You sound like you never put anything that was said in the tier list into real test. Do think that just because you pick a Mishima that mean Automatic Win?What do you think there are really massive Law/F/ Laws right now? Not only noob but high level player as well? By that logic of yours, there should be a massive Steve players in Vanilla Tekken 5 instead yet they stick to their mains. By this game, the game was already balance enough. The updated tier list showed that lowest tier list was B like Guilty Gear and Blazblue. If you complain Mishima so much then how about using them yourself? Again like I said, show me a video of 20 consecutive EWGF or DEWGF and we can talk.


He probably doesn't want to take the time to learn Mishimas and just wants them nerfed.
#66STAR JillPosted 11/12/2012 8:51:22 PM
My turn!

creep50 posted...
really???

mishimas not only have the best launchers in the game but a high damage output and little to no disadvantages....and they where pretty solid with many pros using them in tekken 6 but still got nothing but buffs


Your not stating notations, frames or anything. Best launcher in the game, only if you are able to do it on command, and honestly it's a high launcher which can be ducked and so can hell sweep. Those are two of the 'deadly' tools that can be instantly input from CD/WD, and honestly I doubt you are able to do EWGF upon reaction. And you say pro yet I'm willing to bet that your rank is hardly 'pro' worthy, just playing online a few times not really facing any good Mishimas.

If you can't do their movements or electric fist on command, then your point is moot.

law??? did you even see how much he got nerfed his main advantages is gone he lost all his most important moves got nerfed/ruined....and his overall play style was pretty just ruined the character is almost useless.


Are you a Law player? If so then please state what his so-called main advantage is, and what these important moves are. If you are just going to site other people rather than your own experience, then no, your just following people blindly rather than from your own experience.

lili was already low tierd in tekken 6 but she still got nothing but nerfes


So? What does tier have to do with anything? I thought it was already established that skill > tier. If you don't like Lili then don't use her, Jesus Christ, I use Kuma who is arguably one of the 'worst' characters, yet I do pretty well for myself ^_^

ogre....right


What, true ogre? Why in blue hell would you want to balance every single character out there? Is it because you play him too? Not every character has to match each other, then you just get a boring game of rock-paper-scissor with the only thing separating anyone is whoever makes the first mistake loses instantly. Besides, like I said, state facts of YOUR OWN
#67Bestia_SomniaPosted 11/12/2012 8:58:21 PM
No, the Mishimas are stupidly good. Heihachi & Devil Jin are practically the best characters in the game. Heck, a lot of top players believe that Heihachi would still be the best even without the use EWGF, but regardless the EWGF benefited from the addition of the Tag mechanics more than any other move. Managing red health becomes a waste of time Vs a Mishima. EWGF is like the ultimate move for eating away red health. You can even pull of ridiculous tag buffer combos with it whilst already in mid juggle. The EWGF is basically the universal tool now. It does almost everything that you could want from a move.
#68zhaoyun99Posted 11/12/2012 9:09:26 PM
Bestia_Somnia posted...
No, the Mishimas are stupidly good. Heihachi & Devil Jin are practically the best characters in the game. Heck, a lot of top players believe that Heihachi would still be the best even without the use EWGF, but regardless the EWGF benefited from the addition of the Tag mechanics more than any other move. Managing red health becomes a waste of time Vs a Mishima. EWGF is like the ultimate move for eating away red health. You can even pull of ridiculous tag buffer combos with it whilst already in mid juggle. The EWGF is basically the universal tool now. It does almost everything that you could want from a move.


Problems are their usage are pretty low except in Korea or possibly JP. Their learning curve is one way to turn people off. Mishima other tools still require Wavedash and Korean Backdash which was not that easy to learn. Pulling out EWGF on reaction was already STUPIDLY HARD while pulling off from sidestep was even harder. They also required your understanding of the game fundamental more than other character. If you want to fix, fix the input of Bob and Lars. Their combos are just stupidly easy to pull off w/o much effort, they are noob friendly and can general a lot safer than Mishima especially Bob. While other high tier need to work their butt off for their high damage combo, they are just their to piss them off.
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#69creep50Posted 11/12/2012 9:10:29 PM
zhaoyun99 posted...
creep50 posted...
KenGi1226 posted...
creep50 posted...
laws lili ogre....all desperately need a buff

and mishimas have to be nerfed


this game is not balanced people can say skill>tiers all they want but that dosnt chance the fact that the game is unbalanced


Kane and Rip continue to kick ass in tournys with Lili and Law teams respectably.


right because rip was so happy about the chance......http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a_6-SvtKlzc


have no idea about the other one


Officially pwn you right here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/652997-tekken-tag-tournament-2/64603225?page=1
As for Lili in TK6, you have no idea what are you saying:
http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox360/guides/141/tekken-6/851/character-tiers-list.html
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4038027


hmm might have been wrong about tekken 6 lili.....still dosnt justify how much she got nerfed in this one...is she was well balanced in that game than why would they nerf her so badly???


So turn her into a not so noob friendly anymore character made her crap? Kane kicked ass with Lili and he still does. Also, some "REAL" fan of her can adapt her change just fine. I also saw her changes are unfair but that doesn't make her crap at all. The bears which are worse than her can still win a tourney. What make you think that some casts are viable and some are not unless you play UMVC3. nything that was said in the tier list into real test. Do think that just because you pick a Mishima that mean Automatic Win?What do you think there are really massive Law/F/ Laws right now? Not only noob but high level player as well? By that logic of yours, there should be a massive Steve players in Vanilla Tekken 5 instead yet they stick to their mains. By this game, the game was already balance enough. The updated tier list showed that lowest tier list was B likeReal Lili player like Kane can give you a run for your money. You sound like you never put a Guilty Gear and Blazblue. If you complain Mishima so much then how about using them yourself? Again like I said, show me a video of 20 consecutive EWGF or DEWGF and we can talk.


please not so noob frendly??? they just nerfed her....its not like they gave her some´´pro´´ moves ...i havnt seen much a kane but lili players are talking.... its not like she was some in some super tier in tekken 6 so most of the nerf are pretty undeserved

bears are very underused so seeing a good bear can throw people off...not that i know anything about them or ever said they where unbalanced

high level laws all know that they are unbalanced i already posted a video of rip they just use them because they know/like them

and telling people to post videos is pretty ridiculous...i use kazuya very casually and i can do a EWGF 90% of the time (even tho you might not belive it)....and it is not like that is his only advantage
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#70STAR JillPosted 11/12/2012 9:12:35 PM
Bestia_Somnia posted...
No, the Mishimas are stupidly good. Heihachi & Devil Jin are practically the best characters in the game. Heck, a lot of top players believe that Heihachi would still be the best even without the use EWGF, but regardless the EWGF benefited from the addition of the Tag mechanics more than any other move. Managing red health becomes a waste of time Vs a Mishima. EWGF is like the ultimate move for eating away red health. You can even pull of ridiculous tag buffer combos with it whilst already in mid juggle. The EWGF is basically the universal tool now. It does almost everything that you could want from a move.


Okay, those are the top players, which are reserved for tournaments, but they have the right to say something, and yet I don't really hear them saying anything about this needing a balance patch or anything.

Yes, I feel as though Heihachi is a real strong character (I hate his CD+3 so much), but you gotta leave the EWGF comment out of it. I doubt anyone on this board can effectively use EWGF 100% of the time, and on command. And I'm also willing to bet that most of the people on this board are online players rather than offline competition ones.

But like I said, if you really want to even the playing field just a little bit, then give some characters a little more tracking on a move and it shouldn't be as bad. And if you think about the characters this way, then go pick up Heihachi and DJin and join the rest of the Mishima users. I know nobody will really complain about them.

Yeesh...honestly, instead of complaining about the tier, why not pick someone from the top? I don't understand it...since they have the tools to dominate a match, why make life difficult? Take some time to learn them and then win, just like the tier list claims you will.

Right?