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Level 80 kyogre or level 100 politoed

#11qaqa1Posted 8/22/2012 12:52:27 PM
topic - Results (149 votes)
Politoed
34.23% (51 votes)
51
Kyogre
65.77% (98 votes)
98
This poll is now closed.
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#2ophanseraph123Posted 8/22/2012 12:53:47 PM
Too bad Kyogre's uber.

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#3GalladetheGreatPosted 8/22/2012 12:54:10 PM
I'm pretty sure Kyogre would still be better.
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#4SmogoonPosted 8/22/2012 12:54:37 PM
People are voting for Politoed? Seriously guys?
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#5TehTrumpCardPosted 8/22/2012 1:02:22 PM
ophanseraph123 posted...
Too bad Kyogre's uber.

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#61qaqa1(Topic Creator)Posted 8/22/2012 1:05:38 PM
This is a hypothetical scenario where level 80 kyogre is allowed but only 1 drizzler per team
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#7mudkip72Posted 8/22/2012 1:30:00 PM(edited)
Hmm.

At L 80, Kyogre will have fairly more SpA, slightly more SpD, but slightly less Speed, Defense, and much less HP than Politoed. Kyogre has a better offensive movepool with Water Spout and Thunder.

However, keep in mind that due to the way the damage formula works, being at L80 means that the part of the formula that uses level as a factor will have a multiplier of x34, rather than the x42 multiplier that Pokemon at L100 have.

This means that even though this L80 Kyogre still has a good SpA stat, it will be doing 19% less damage than a L100 pokemon with the same SpA stat. Because of this, Politoed technically has more special attacking power when the math is done.

I'd say Politoed is much better stat wise, unless you really want Thunder and Water Spout.
#8MileRunPosted 8/22/2012 4:13:17 PM
mudkip72 posted...
I'd say Politoed is much better stat wise, unless you really want Thunder and Water Spout.


Politoed is only marginally stronger. Arbitrarily using Blissey as a punching bag, compare the damage done by Specs Surf:

252SpAtk Choice Specs lvl 80 Kyogre (+SAtk) Surf in Rain vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Blissey (+SpDef): 22% - 26% (160 - 190 HP). Guaranteed 5HKO.

252SpAtk Choice Specs Politoed (+SAtk) Surf in Rain vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Blissey (+SpDef): 24% - 28% (174 - 205 HP). Guaranteed 5HKO.


Similarly, Toed is only slightly bulkier. Kyogre, on the other hand, has a much better movepool, which really is the deciding factor in this case.
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#9wingblade98Posted 8/22/2012 4:15:45 PM
is this a new smogon rule?
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#10MrFingers07Posted 8/22/2012 4:23:02 PM
Well, Level 100 Politoed is bulkier, faster and stronger (Yes, Kyogre will have more Special attack but due to the fact that it's on level 80 Kyogre's attacks will do less damage.

The only thing Kyogre has over Politoed in this instance is its movepool. Meh. Give me Politoed.
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