My Meganium had Razor Leaf, Solar Beam, Synthesis, and something else I can't remember... ^^; Probably a Grass move. As for EV training, I don't believe it is cheating, but it would be nice to have the person know beforehand if you're challenging a casual player. --- If you fully love and believe in Jesus Christ and are 100% proud of it, please put this as your signature. I'm proud to believe in Jesus Christ as my Savior.
I have two responses toward this; cause mentally, I have two me:
1. Briefly explained how EVs work and hilariously ask the kid how Ashs pikachu is able to win some impossible a throughout the anime. If that doesn't work, I'll have him research EV training by giving him the web that I was taught from.
2. Seeing I hate stupidity 80% of the time, if this kid called me a cheater, I'll question him "that so? Would a fist to the gut feel like cheating too?" And pop him one and explain how unfair the world really is.
Either one can happen; depending on my mood.
Other than that TC, your friend needs to come out of the basement and realize that Pokemon has evolved
My Venusaur from Blue is the same as some of the other Pokemon mentioned here. It knows, to this day:
Razor Leaf, Cut, Solar Beam, and Tackle.
Tackle was the very first move it ever had, ever used, and that I ever used. Why would I want to get rid of it?
I have thankfully outgrown this mentality.
Now, on EVs, I understand the concept, their importance, and so forth. Out of my few friends who play Pokemon, I do the most research and understand the mechanics the best. They don't complain though, as I tell them what I know when the topic comes up. Though this is balanced, perhaps even skewed by the fact they play more than me and consistently have Pokemon 10-15 levels higher than mine.
While I'm here, since board searching didn't find any place better, what's the standard way of EV training when running through the game the first time? Some topics mention Pokemon and areas I haven't reached yet as they best places to EV train a stat; plus when you start out your mons are weak, need levels and better moves. You can't EV train them then. Is EV training pretty much a late/ post game thing with freshly bred Mons to take from 1 to 100, or is there a way to reset EVs for your earlier Mons that you might want to use, since I admittedly have never trained a single Pokemon ever to 100, and I started with Blue version.
As you may tell, I am a casual who wants to step up my game a bit to make my Pokemon stronger, since I have friends who now play alongside me and the online option. --- "Ironically, the word mature when applied to games tends to have a very childish connotation." -Erik J. Caponi of Bethesda Softworks
People reject EV training because it's difficult to do during the main course of the game. But it's obviously not cheating. Look at PWT and the Gear Station. You REALLY think anyone could have a high rate of success without EV training? It's almost expected by the game itself.
When someone says it's cheating, they're just bitter that they lost.