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Pseudo legends

#31leadinteaPosted 11/17/2012 4:06:35 PM
If there are only 5 generations, how are there 6 pseudolegendaries?
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#32PhantomLink1Posted 11/17/2012 4:07:15 PM
Cpt_Calamity posted...
This just happened. Twice.


Hm, i hate getting caught out by trolls but well done Capitan Kid regardless.
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#33PhantomLink1Posted 11/17/2012 4:08:28 PM(edited)
leadintea posted...
If there are only 5 generations, how are there 6 pseudolegendaries?


Hate to double post but Gen 3. introduced Salamence and Metagross.
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#34AuroraSonicBeamPosted 11/17/2012 4:08:25 PM
leadintea posted...
If there are only 5 generations, how are there 6 pseudolegendaries?


If you look closely and trust in everything that is pure and true...you'd noticed that 2 of them were introduced in the same generation.
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#35OnyxGuard(Topic Creator)Posted 11/17/2012 4:08:46 PM
Quote:leadintea posted...
If there are only 5 generations, how are there 6 pseudolegendaries?


Hate to double post but Gen 3. introduced Salamencr and metagross.

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#36PhantomLink1Posted 11/17/2012 4:11:31 PM
OnyxGuard posted...
Quote:leadintea posted...
If there are only 5 generations, how are there 6 pseudolegendaries?


Hate to double post but Gen 3. introduced Salamencr and metagross.

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Cause gen 3 was the best=3


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#37jayman7Posted 11/17/2012 4:19:32 PM(edited)
AuroraSonicBeam posted...
Pseudo-legendary Pokémon (Japanese: 擬似伝説 Pseudo-legendary) is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, 1,250,000 experience at level 100, and a base stat total of exactly 600. The term originates from the prefix pseudo-, which means "false". Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than other non-legendary Pokémon due to their high base stats.
Other variations of the definition also mention having two types or having at least one type immunity, or omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.


Where does it say that they MUST have that?


Uh... right there?

Gastroid posted...
So, basically, you're applying semantics to a fan-made definition that cannot be fully defined unless it was officially defined. Classy.


It's called Occam's Razor, which is a term often misused, but it says that the best explanation is the one that makes the fewest assumptions without changing the meaning of anything. The experience curve is unnecessary because it does nothing to the list of Pseudolegendary Pokemon - with or without, it's the same six. It is an unnecessary assumption.

With all three of Bulbapedia's requirements: Six pseudolegendaries.

With just two, removing the EXP requirement: Six pseudolegendaries.

But if we remove a different requirement...

With just two, removing the three-stage evolution requirement: now we can add Lati@s, Jirachi, Heatran, Cresselia, Manaphy, Darkrai, Victini, Landorus, Meloetta, and Genesect! Hm... that changes the list, so obviously we need the three-stage evolution requirement (or an equivalent, like "is not already legendary" or something.)

With just two, removing the 600 BST requirement: I'm not going through the list. Let's just say lots of things are added, including Aggron, Vanilluxe, Rhyperior, and so on. So obviously that one changes the list, so we need that one too.

But the EXP thing doesn't change the list... so why include it? What, like the sixth-gen pseudolegendary(ies) can't possibly have different EXP curves?
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#38Capitan_KidPosted 11/17/2012 4:23:31 PM
Coulda swore post game in black 1 a sage and plasma member call Volcarona a legendary pokemon. It even got its own temple. Its pokedex entry implies its got some serious power too.
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#39jayman7Posted 11/17/2012 4:24:58 PM
Capitan_Kid posted...
Coulda swore post game in black 1 a sage and plasma member call Volcarona a legendary pokemon. It even got its own temple. Its pokedex entry implies its got some serious power too.


This line never happened as far as I recall, and even if it did, as I said before, Arcanine is called "legendary" by the game's Pokedex. And Arcanine has a higher base stat total than Volcarona! But no one takes that seriously.
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#40AuroraSonicBeamPosted 11/17/2012 4:27:43 PM
jayman7 posted...
AuroraSonicBeam posted...
Pseudo-legendary Pokémon (Japanese: 擬似伝説 Pseudo-legendary) is a fan term commonly used to refer to any Pokémon that has a three-stage evolution line, 1,250,000 experience at level 100, and a base stat total of exactly 600. The term originates from the prefix pseudo-, which means "false". Pseudo-legendary Pokémon are often more powerful than other non-legendary Pokémon due to their high base stats.
Other variations of the definition also mention having two types or having at least one type immunity, or omit the need to have 1,250,000 experience at level 100.


Where does it say that they MUST have that?


Uh... right there?

Gastroid posted...
So, basically, you're applying semantics to a fan-made definition that cannot be fully defined unless it was officially defined. Classy.


It's called Occam's Razor, which is a term often misused, but it says that the best explanation is the one that makes the fewest assumptions without changing the meaning of anything. The experience curve is unnecessary because it does nothing to the list of Pseudolegendary Pokemon - with or without, it's the same six. It is an unnecessary assumption.

With all three of Bulbapedia's requirements: Six pseudolegendaries.

With just two, removing the EXP requirement: Six pseudolegendaries.

But if we remove a different requirement...

With just two, removing the three-stage evolution requirement: now we can add Lati@s, Jirachi, Heatran, Cresselia, Manaphy, Darkrai, Victini, Landorus, Meloetta, and Genesect! Hm... that changes the list, so obviously we need the three-stage evolution requirement (or an equivalent, like "is not already legendary" or something.)

With just two, removing the 600 BST requirement: I'm not going through the list. Let's just say lots of things are added, including Aggron, Vanilluxe, Rhyperior, and so on. So obviously that one changes the list, so we need that one too.

But the EXP thing doesn't change the list... so why include it? What, like the sixth-gen pseudolegendary(ies) can't possibly have different EXP curves?


key words are in bold my friend. especially the one that begins with "other variations" which acknowledges other definitions of the term. Btw, ALL OF THEM HAVE EXACTLY THOSE CHARACTERISTICS so it's pretty safe to say, since it is a fan term, that they are requirements.
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