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Pokesav vs. Natural Training

#31YaRlyJoePosted 11/27/2012 9:02:13 AM
I trained naturally back in gen 3

But then I learned about pokesav/gen and I realized there's no need to waste more time on the massive time sink that is pokemon
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#32GhostlyCrowPosted 11/27/2012 9:04:13 AM
Breeding and training. I'll just play on a battle sim like Showdown if I want to play with perfect pokemon.
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#33AuthorNumber2Posted 11/27/2012 9:17:37 AM
I've never used Pokesav, prefer the natural way of training them myself, even if it may take longer, its still more satisfying.
#34ZabuzadonoPosted 11/27/2012 10:19:25 AM
Just finished breeding and IV-ing a team for PWT / White Treehollow

3 IVs are inherited, 3 IVs are random. Power item forces 1 inherited IV.

1st IV: Power Item + Everstone = 100%
2nd IV: 2/5 chance to inherit from parent with perfect IV, 3/5 * 1/31 chance of getting it via RNG (41.9% chance)
3rd IV: 1/4 chance to inherit from parent with perfect IV, 3/4 * 1/31 chance of getting it via RNG (27.4% * 41.9% = 11.5% chance)
4th IV: 1/31 chance of getting it via RNG (11.5% * 3.2% = 0.37%)
5th IV: 1/31 chance of getting it via RNG (0.37% * 3.2% = 0.012%)
6th IV: 1/31 chance of getting it via RNG (0.012% * 3.2% = 0.00038%)

I only ever breed for 3 IVs (HP, Def, SpDef for walls, Atk/SpAtk, Speed + another for sweepers). 1/10 eggs for a 3 IV child is not bad odds at all (when both parents are 3 IV parents), when you factor in that they will always have the correct nature. Abilities are a different story...
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#35AmesangPosted 11/27/2012 10:38:13 AM
There's really no reason why you couldn't use both. The last Pokémon I made with PokéGen was a :L5 Bagon hatched in Sapphire and transferred into Black (since his "father" was intended to be my very first Salamence, he couldn't have egg moves).

So, while I obviously cheated to get it, he was still raised naturally from :L5 to :L100.
http://www.schadenfreudestudios.com/temp/sapphire_bagon_legality_check.png

Also I have a tendency to look at Pokémon with perfect stats as the "legendary/mythical" progenitors of powerful offspring. If I remember my Classical history correctly, Heracles/Hercules was the son of Zeus, king of the gods, and Heracles was the father of the ancestors of Sparta (I believe an earthly king wanted him to lay with his fifty or so daughters). "Dracul" is the legendary Salamence who challenged the Elite 4, crushed Team Aqua, and conquered the Hoenn Battle Tower.

Now his son, "Dracula," is taking on his own challenges in Black, and his offspring can take on similar challenges in Black 2 or in the eventual Gen 6. His offspring don't necessarily have to be perfect, as family lines in myth tend to weaken over time (would Luke Skywalker's grandkids have the same potential as he and his father?).

(I'm well aware that a typical, Intimidate Salamence can be bred through RNG, but I wanted this specific Salamence the way he is as a connection to Sapphire since, if memory serves, "Dracula" means "Son of Dracul," and "Dracul" was my very first Salamence — but I'll admit, I'm too lazy to breed naturally in Sapphire and, even if I wasn't, I couldn't transfer it over without help from a friend as I only have one DS.)
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#36Shadow Flare13Posted 11/27/2012 10:56:15 AM
I prefer Pokesav because I like to actually have a life outside of grinding and training and basically sloshing through HOURS of tedious activity just to get around to the fun part.

I mean, if you find the breeding and such fun, then good on you. I don't, and it's pretty stupid for someone to try and make me feel bad about not wasting my time. I do EV train normally though, because I don't mind that part.
#37furixPosted 11/27/2012 11:02:35 AM
Breed with 2 parents that have 31 IVs in every stat, then EV train that pokemon.
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#38FuneralCakePosted 11/27/2012 11:19:22 AM
It's really not too difficult to breed good Pokemon. Even without starting with perfect parents, you just have to make sure you pass down the right IVs using Power items and parents with the IVs you want.

I was able to breed this guy without much effort. Didn't even know how good it was until I decided to check its IVs.
http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=2800086
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#39furixPosted 11/27/2012 1:38:24 PM
^Oh wow, that looks sick! Nice one!

I find it funny how the legality analysis says "likely edited or RNG abused" XD
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#40Teh_TiltyuPosted 11/27/2012 1:40:42 PM
From: FuneralCake | #038
I was able to breed this guy without much effort. Didn't even know how good it was until I decided to check its IVs.
http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=detail&uid=2800086

if only speed was 31
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