Can someone explain how truth and ideals are contradictory?

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4 years ago#1
It seems like they just use these words for grandeur but with no apparent meaning given the context.
They sought ideals or truth? How are these two goals mutually exclusive?
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4 years ago#2
It's about ideals faltering in the face of harsh reality.
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4 years ago#3
But they seem to nearly equate "ideals" to hope, so in the face of harsh realities, wouldn't ideals be complementary?
Oh well, I'm probably just thinking about it weird.
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4 years ago#4
That's the point of the plot i think. By definition, they ARE contradictory. But as you've mentioned yourself, they in fact have to coexist
4 years ago#5
They aren't. Drayden explicitly says it, too. It was the meaningless quarreling of the brothers that split the dragon in three. They were to blame, not ideals or hopes alone.
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4 years ago#6
Well, more like one Hero bends to reality, the other adamantly refuses to change his ideals.

They were being idiots.
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4 years ago#7
Ok, I dun diddly got it now.
I just had a moment where I was like "does this even make sense?"
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4 years ago#8
Personally, I think they should've gone with "destiny" and "reality." Then Kyurem couldn't been the culmination of the two concepts, a truce between them.. "destrucity," if you will.
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4 years ago#9
I always thought of it like the science vs. religion debate. Science is what we use to find out the facts of the world and better understand it and because of that we desire to learn more and continue to poke and prod until we learn it. However, like pure science, just going by pure facts without trying to emotionally attach yourself to the world around you is bad since it can lead to people doing terrible things to find out more, essentially as what Changlini said: ignoring what's right for what is neccessary. Hell, there are numerous villains that fill this mold, such as Mr. Tucker (FMA) and Izuka (FE:RD).

Similarly, like religion, ideals are your morals and beliefs, what you strongly stick to because they give you a since of what is morally right and what is morally apprehensible. However, pure ideals are also bad because if you just completely ignore the facts of the world and stick to your beliefs, you're going to lead yourself down a dark path of ignorance, prejudice and destruction. Again, numerous villains fill this mold of following their beliefs and ambitions to the point of turning to evil like the Church in RE4 and some of the senators in FE10.

Both together however can hypothetically lead to a more balanced person. Someone who's in tune with their beliefs but can see the truth in the world is most likely bound to lead themselves and others down a road of prosperity. Also, they can understand how much you can do with your knowledge before you do something reprehensive.
4 years ago#10
Meh, the loading screen of SO: The line stated that there is no difference between what is right, and what is necessary.

So I don't know, could go anywhere.
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