EA: we are only getting votes beause people are homophobes

#51CELTEKKPosted 4/12/2013 8:11:25 PM
SoulTrapper posted...

Again, it's fine if you like the game, it's great if you think it's fun, but you're wrong and lying if you say the game is good or worth $60 at this point.


Cry. Don't spend the money on it then. Problem solved. Go back to the kiddie section.
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#52SoulTrapperPosted 4/13/2013 3:55:56 AM
Madigari posted...

Sorry, what are you implying here? It looks like you're implying that EA deliberately coerced the FRC to raise a stink over something that had a planned release before the Consumerist poll was even a thing. Is that what you're really saying happened in 2012? Because, if so, I don't think there's much we should discuss. I don't like to entertain conspiracy theories.


No, what I'm saying is that they conveniently had this campaign set up right after winning the poll last year.

https://www.allout.org/en/actions/theforce

Prove this was planned before the poll, as you claim.


That said, those gay relationships people supposedly were protesting against (haven't seen any evidence for this) are not even in the game to this day.
They will be available tomorrow, for people willing to pay $20 extra.

Which makes this petition all the more dubious.



Again, skimming over the fact that FRC actually was raising a stink over gay issues/Star Wars last year, no one in this conversation is saying they are either: A) correct in saying they got nominated/won over homophobic motivation; or B) correct in trying to deflect the results of the poll. You want to talk about straw man...

Here's a tip, just in case: The point of contention, as far as you and I are concerned is, "Does EA only support gay rights to use them as a shield, as SoulTrapper has suggested?"


Where did I suggest they ONLY use it as shield?

They do use it as a shield, which brings their entire motivation for doing it into question.

If you are referring to this post:
SoulTrapper posted...

They did the same thing last year:

https://www.allout.org/en/actions/theforce

This came right after winning the award.

Their support for the LGBT community by itself would be great, but they're not doing it to support gay rights, they're using them as a shield.


Read it again, because I was talking about the petition there.


Sorry, did you miss this? Or are you in such a rush to be already proven wrong in the history of this debate?

And, again, it isn't straw man to establish that I have a history of seeing supposedly pro-gay organizations do little to nothing. Try to remember what the point of contention is going forward.


First link is indeed them doing something: supporting an act that dozens of other companies did as well.


Second link is purely advertising, just reading the contents makes this obvious:

Join Electronic Arts, a leading creator and advocate for LGBT issues in entertainment and media, as we host a half-day of open dialogue and panel discussions covering:

The origin of homophobia in games;
The development of authentic LGBT characters and scenarios;
The difference between exclusive and inclusive language;
Creating and promoting inclusive work environments for LGBT employees in the digital entertainment industry.


What the hell is "homophobia in games"?

Someone calling someone else a "******"? Because that has nothing to do with homophobia.

You don't honestly think that is anything but an advertisement to increase their reputation, right?
Hosting a press conference to talk about something that is something that is a non-issue (at least it is over here in Europe, can't judge how it is in US) doesn't actually do anything either, since they only invite people who are pro.

It would be the equivalent of posting on Reddit about how cool the big bang theory is: they'll all agree anyway and there won't be any meaningful debate.
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#53jaijasty2Posted 4/13/2013 3:58:20 AM
SoulTrapper posted...
CELTEKK posted...
I would address more of your post but I'm running out of room, and frankly I do not want to get into an argument with either you or Sedated on the boards, where more constructive debate can be had.


You never wanted to debate anything, you just wanted to flame Sedated because he hurt your feelings.


Again, it's fine if you like the game, it's great if you think it's fun, but you're wrong and lying if you say the game is good or worth $60 at this point.


-_- Seems no one on this board can tell the difference between trolling and flaming. You just said that he didn't want to have a debate but wanted to have a long debate with Sedated. Then when others say others are trolling they aren't, they are flaming! Trolling means to try to piss someone off and make them say curse words and bad language. When every someone says another person is trolling', it's flaming. They weren't intending to make someone mad, just debating on another's opinion or if the game is in good state, or if ea is good or bad,etc. Flaming means to have like a long, harsh, battle/debate or something which is useless at this point.

U can have the right to judge someone, even critique heavily. As long as it is nessasary and not exaggerated to make someone mad. Sorta like indirect trolling
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#54SoulTrapperPosted 4/13/2013 4:05:31 AM
Madigari posted...

Your statement is off rails again, presuming I'm trying to argue outrage in the gaming community exists. But, what the hell. I'll indulge you.

This isn't about gaming community popularity, this is about getting among a wide swath of people. FRC boycotted EA's Star Wars because it hits on a few major fronts, particularly in that it's Star Wars. Regardless of whether you're a gamer or not, you know Star Wars.

This has nothing to do with the success or failure of the other games. It has everything to do with, as I said, perceived publicity from the action. And if you think Star Wars doesn't have a wider reach (particularly outside the gaming community) than the games you listed, I don't know what to tell you.


I'm pretty sure zealous christians even play video games, so it's completely irrelevant that they boycott it.

Star wars does have a wider reach, the game didn't. It sold around 2.4 million copies, which is less then GTA4 and about the same as the others listed.

This is not about them boycotting Star Wars, this is about them boycotting the game, again, stop straw manning.

The game itself, doesn't even have gay relationships (until tomorrow, if you pay $10-20 extra) so EA was doing nothing but creating hype for their game, by once again trying to (ab)use the gay community.


If that were exactly what you were saying, we would be in agreement. It's when you throw in unfounded or false statements like, "EA does nothing for gay rights," or, "They only support gay rights to use them as a shield," that I disagree.

EA, regardless of its mistakes/deliberate douchebaggery, supports gay rights, and not in a useless way like organizations I've seen in the past. Admitting to their earnest support doesn't mean you have to ignore their shortcomings outside of that. Their inability to own a problem, for example...


I do not see their support as anything but a PR-stunt, they started it when people started telling them the quality of their games was getting worse and they only seem to bring it up whenever there is some controversy over their games or their actions.

I just looked at the date of the second link and that conveniently coincided with the SimCity debacle.

And yes, the planned the gathering ahead of the release, but they also knew Simcity would be horribly bugged before release.

I don't really believe it's all coincidental.
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#55SoulTrapperPosted 4/13/2013 4:27:33 AM
jaijasty2 posted...

-_- Seems no one on this board can tell the difference between trolling and flaming. You just said that he didn't want to have a debate but wanted to have a long debate with Sedated. Then when others say others are trolling they aren't, they are flaming! Trolling means to try to piss someone off and make them say curse words and bad language. When every someone says another person is trolling', it's flaming. They weren't intending to make someone mad, just debating on another's opinion or if the game is in good state, or if ea is good or bad,etc. Flaming means to have like a long, harsh, battle/debate or something which is useless at this point.

U can have the right to judge someone, even critique heavily. As long as it is nessasary and not exaggerated to make someone mad. Sorta like indirect trolling


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#56SoulTrapperPosted 4/13/2013 4:29:35 AM
CELTEKK posted...

Cry. Don't spend the money on it then. Problem solved. Go back to the kiddie section.


Again, you're not debating, just flaming because you got your feelings hurt and were proven wrong.

Just let it go.
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#57Laylow12Posted 4/20/2013 7:52:02 PM
SoulTrapper posted...
CELTEKK posted...

Cry. Don't spend the money on it then. Problem solved. Go back to the kiddie section.


Again, you're not debating, just flaming because you got your feelings hurt and were proven wrong.

Just let it go.


He can't let it go. His supervisor has him assigned to this post for EAs damage control.

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#58Mentalpatient87Posted 4/21/2013 9:59:47 AM
CELTEKK posted...
Go back to the kiddie section.


This game is in the kiddie section.
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#59drointhewindPosted 4/21/2013 11:52:45 AM
CELTEKK posted...
Sedated posted...
Hope everyone who bought this game feels great about them selves for supporting a company who hides behind gay people and tries to pretend if you hate EA its because you're an intolerant bigot who hated the cover of madden.

....and many of you still buy game from them? Seriously? Are you that addicted to video games that you really need your next fix this badly? Not to mention you got a broken piece of crap. Congratulations people, Job well done!


Wow bro. You need to relax. What do you care what people do with their money? Frankly it's none of your business, so take a chill pill and focus your anger on North Korea and people who abuse small animals.

If you hate the company and the game so much why don't you do something about it, instead of trolling a forum? Be proactive. Quit whining and do something. DO SOMETHING. My God you look like a sad little child constantly ripping people on here. It's pathetic.


I bought the game because I'm a SimCity fan. I'm not gonna say the game is perfect by ANY means, but its FUN. I buy games based on how fun they are to me. Who are you to criticize someone who spends their money how they want? They earned it, you punk, not you.

Finis.


What you buy affects the rest of us in many ways. Example, now always online games are going to be a little more accepted.
Its like if you spent all of your money on cocaine. Sure its your money do what you want. But now your attracting criminal elements into the neighborhood etc. It affects everyone in small ways. Don't be proud of your ignorance
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#60clowningPosted 4/21/2013 12:00:18 PM
DraconisRex posted...



So, no traffic from the conservative political sites.


This is an invalid statement that does not follow from the quotes you cite. Your citations state that the Consumerist does not have any evidence of anyone voting based on an anti-LGBT agenda. It does not say that these votes are not being made. They cannot possibly know why anyone votes the way they do.
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