MW2 seems to be getting mentioned a lot lately. Here's my 2 cents, if you care.

#1Soul_On_DisplayPosted 11/22/2012 2:49:12 AM(edited)
I'm just going to throw this out there: I am a huge MW2 fan and most of you probably know that. I don't like it when people fail to see things clearly when they allow their general dislike for something specific get in the way of the big picture. I'll post why I like MW2. NOTE: Most of this is rehashed stuff that I've already mentioned before, mostly in comments.

MW2 issues: OMA, DC, Commando, deathstreaks (maybe), game-ending nukes.

I will agree that some of those things are major. They can be considered extremely annoying flaws. But I don't only see MW2 as a collection of the things on that little list. I honestly feel like where MW2 did some major mistakes, it had every other aspect of the game to make up for it.

The easier benefits to notice are things like gun and perk balance (aside from obvious cons on list), spawns, connection, hit detection, and such. One less obvious thing to notice but that is still a benefit is something like gun feel, and how using guns in MW2 actually feel fun, unlike in BO. This isn't a comparison to MW2 and BO however, just using BO as an example.

The next less obvious benefit is combat flow. This one is probably my favorite part of the game. Due to many reasons, you never had issues with combat being too chaotic for its own good, unlike in BO2. Nearly every death that isn't associated with the cons above could be actually considered a flaw in your part. The combat never was known for setting enemies up to shoot you in the back all the time or to flush you into no-win-scenarios (like being in a 1vsMultiples situation).

Things started to get crazy in MW3, and now BO2 has fantastic innovations and balance but lacks the correct combat flow or connection strength. BO, CoD4 and WaW were all fantastic in their own right and are not in any way being compared to MW2. I am discussing this to fight against the MW2 hate, not to make comparisons. I am not saying you have to like MW2. Hell, if you find the cons listed to be enough to make you hate the game, do so. Just don't act like the other benefits aren't there. Stop nitpicking and just admit that without the obvious flaws, MW2 is amazing.

TL;DR - - Stop being an ungrateful bum.
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#2NiNtEnDoMaNiAc1Posted 11/22/2012 2:52:16 AM
I care dude :D but the game was terrible thanks to explosives and is hard to rate because of it. Without them, who knows?
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#3Silver17Posted 11/22/2012 2:55:56 AM
(repeated post from the other thread on why MW2 sucked)


MW2 was a classic example of KDR means more than the game itself.


MW2 was hands down the most broken game in the series. OMA/Tubes/Nades/Ammo/DC, Commando Knife lunges, Last Stand as an effing Perk, Painkiller (remember Final Stand was there too, but never used since PK was extremely OP). & Unlimited claymore camping.

Bad kids sitting in corners camping for KS, never going for the objectives. There was no reward for doing so. KDR meant everything & winning most of the time meant nothing.

Teams losing a match because boosters came in the lobby and boosted for nuke. (and yes the nuke was the worst KS of all time - especially since killstreaks did most of the work anyway - or bad kids boosting to get it)

10th prestige lobby hacks that were ignored.


& THE ABILITY TO BUY YOUR KDR WITH FASTER INTERNET. If you had host, then you had god-mode every game.



^ So yes you had ALL those flaws, but the MW2 fanboys blindly look past them or *Ahem* conveniently forget them.

MW2 was complete thrash, however it had soooo many ways that bad kids could pad their precious KDR, that all that cheeze posted above is OK with them. Their excuse - "but it was fun doing that". *Rolls eyes*

^ Cheating or glitching is fine with those kids as long as they can brag about their "inflated" KDR.


Finally sure MW3 and BO2 have their flaws, but IMHO they have less flaws COMBINED than that giant broken mess that was MW2...
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#4DiagnosisNinjaPosted 11/22/2012 2:59:52 AM
MW2 was perfectly fine.

The problem isn't the game. It had the best quality network connection by my count, a fair range of balance, and was nowhere near as irritating as WaW with Juggernaut MP40 users.

The problem is the player base. There's a horde of users who watch for things on Youtube, and they feel the need to ruin things like One Man Army.

Exactly the same as Campers on Hijack, hiding under the end of the boat. spawn campers suck on that map.
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#5Soul_On_Display(Topic Creator)Posted 11/22/2012 3:09:09 AM(edited)
Last Stand as an effing Perk, Painkiller (remember Final Stand was there too, but never used since PK was extremely OP). & Unlimited claymore camping.

See, I don't understand this. Most of that is in the other CoDs that you don't have as much of a problem with, yet when it's in MW2 then it counts as a legitimate reason to knock the game down.

Bad kids sitting in corners camping for KS, never going for the objectives. There was no reward for doing so.

Again, a problem in EVERY CoD. Even in BO2 people will still avoid playing objective and just camp. Let's also not forget that BO2 is the first game to not reward players to play this way as much. If you don't have a problem with CoD4, WaW, BO, and MW3 doing the same thing as MW2 in this sense, then why argue that?

Teams losing a match because boosters came in the lobby and boosted for nuke.

I've killed plenty of boosters in MW3 as well. That is a problem with the community, not MW2. The only reason why MW3 had less was because it wasn't as much of a new thing anymore, and since it was a newer game, it had the benefit of innovation in the form of a reporting feature.

THE ABILITY TO BUY YOUR KDR WITH FASTER INTERNET. If you had host, then you had god-mode every game.

I prefer this than having the kind of lag we have in BO2 and MW3. Now kids run around in a whole different time slot than what I see on my screen, killing me instantly while on their screen I never see my last couple of bullets even get fired. You think that is bad while lag compensation is a catastrophe. I would gladly take the older netcode.

So yes you had ALL those flaws, but the MW2 fanboys blindly look past them or *Ahem* conveniently forget them.

Debates like these can go both ways. Either the defense seem like blind fanboys or the prosecution seem like biased nitpickers. Guess we'll never know which one of us is either until popular consent decides on it.
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#6huerito323Posted 11/22/2012 3:17:55 AM
Silver17 posted...
(repeated post from the other thread on why MW2 sucked)


MW2 was a classic example of KDR means more than the game itself.


MW2 was hands down the most broken game in the series. OMA/Tubes/Nades/Ammo/DC, Commando Knife lunges, Last Stand as an effing Perk, Painkiller (remember Final Stand was there too, but never used since PK was extremely OP). & Unlimited claymore camping.

Bad kids sitting in corners camping for KS, never going for the objectives. There was no reward for doing so. KDR meant everything & winning most of the time meant nothing.

Teams losing a match because boosters came in the lobby and boosted for nuke. (and yes the nuke was the worst KS of all time - especially since killstreaks did most of the work anyway - or bad kids boosting to get it)

10th prestige lobby hacks that were ignored.


& THE ABILITY TO BUY YOUR KDR WITH FASTER INTERNET. If you had host, then you had god-mode every game.



^ So yes you had ALL those flaws, but the MW2 fanboys blindly look past them or *Ahem* conveniently forget them.

MW2 was complete thrash, however it had soooo many ways that bad kids could pad their precious KDR, that all that cheeze posted above is OK with them. Their excuse - "but it was fun doing that". *Rolls eyes*

^ Cheating or glitching is fine with those kids as long as they can brag about their "inflated" KDR.


Finally sure MW3 and BO2 have their flaws, but IMHO they have less flaws COMBINED than that giant broken mess that was MW2...


blah blah blah....

you are missing the main point. MW2 was fun as hell and that's all that matters to me. You can complain about how unbalanced it was all you want. To me, it was the most exciting and funnest multiplayer game I've played. I don't blindly look past anything pal. You probably sucked at the game and it made you rage more than anything. People who rage are people who are taking the game too seriously. You obviously took it too serious and forgot to have fun. Wahhhh noob tubes and campers wahhhh. So what! Play the game how you want and have some fun. MW2 allowed for so many different playstyles and it was always fun trying new things.
#7randomsentinelPosted 11/22/2012 3:21:32 AM(edited)
each COD has had it's flaws. most of mw2s are well documented, but there were some things that people forget like the strong mid tier kill streaks in harrier and chopper gunner at 7 and 9 respectively as well as the snowballing effect of kills from killstreaks adding to other streaks. no one in this thread has mentioned stopping power either (at least as im typing my post this).

edit - last stand is pretty stupid, but it's no reason to use as a negative point against a game. it was however very ridiculous in the original black ops (second chance?).

MW2 as a whole was not nearly as great as people remember it. most of the glitches are patched now, but the road was hardly smooth. i will say that imo MW2 had the best maps of the series though. they were really fun and well designed i felt.

with everything that's been said and happened, i honestly like black ops 2 the most of the series. a couple of my friends i play with who have played every COD religiously feel the same way.
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#8Silver17Posted 11/22/2012 3:24:04 AM
See, I don't understand this. Most of that is in the other CoDs that you don't have as much of a problem with, yet when it's in MW2 then it counts as a legitimate reason to knock the game down.


You wanna know why Last Stand wasn't a problem with previous COD games? That's simple to answer, everyone used Martydom. Remove Martydom, and LS becomes the new issue. Just like removing Painkiller, and now Final Stand became an issue.



I've killed plenty of boosters in MW3 as well. That is a problem with the community, not MW2. The only reason why MW3 had less was because it wasn't as much of a new thing anymore, and since it was a newer game, it had the benefit of innovation in the form of a reporting feature.


I totally agree that the community blows! Although I disagree about why boosting happened less in MW3. IMHO titles and emblems were one reason kids boosted for nukes more. The second reason the nuke ended the game, so kids (back to the community here) used it as a "troll move". There was less incentive to get the MOAB, and more people legitimately got a MOAB than a nuke.


I prefer this than having the kind of lag we have in BO2 and MW3. Now kids run around in a whole different time slot than what I see on my screen, killing me instantly while on their screen I never see my last couple of bullets even get fired. You think that is bad while lag compensation is a catastrophe. I would gladly take the older netcode.

I've been on both sides of host in every COD game, but when you have people that are "purposely" putting in hacks to "force host" that's a problem. IMO 4 bars isn't always perfect for everyone (seems like 3 bars at times), but it's doable in MW3/BO2. IMO MW3 got better with matchmaking as time went on versus launch, and I think BO2 will do the same, but only time will tell.


Debates like these can go both ways. Either the defense seem like blind fanboys or the prosecution seem like biased nitpickers. Guess we'll never know which one of us is either until popular consent decides on it.

Debating is a good thing... :)
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#9Silver17Posted 11/22/2012 3:36:10 AM(edited)

blah blah blah....

you are missing the main point. MW2 was fun as hell and that's all that matters to me. You can complain about how unbalanced it was all you want. To me, it was the most exciting and funnest multiplayer game I've played. I don't blindly look past anything pal. You probably sucked at the game and it made you rage more than anything. People who rage are people who are taking the game too seriously. You obviously took it too serious and forgot to have fun. Wahhhh noob tubes and campers wahhhh. So what! Play the game how you want and have some fun. MW2 allowed for so many different playstyles and it was always fun trying new things.



Thank you for reinforcing my point. :)


As I said in my OP, "MW2 was complete thrash, however it had soooo many ways that bad kids could pad their precious KDR, that all that cheeze posted above is OK with them. Their excuse - "but it was fun doing that"."


BTW I didn't suck at the game, but yes I did get upset at all the things that IW was supposed to fix and never did.


And no I didn't have fun, when you go from a near-perfect game such as COD4 to a perfect mess that was MW2, I don't get how that's fun?


Finally - I loved COD4 and MW3 (for Specialist/MOABS/& non-MW2 BS) I hated MW2/and MP40 of duty. BO was meh and BO2 can't truly be judged until Trey puts in their patches...
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#10huerito323Posted 11/22/2012 3:47:12 AM
Silver17 posted...

blah blah blah....

you are missing the main point. MW2 was fun as hell and that's all that matters to me. You can complain about how unbalanced it was all you want. To me, it was the most exciting and funnest multiplayer game I've played. I don't blindly look past anything pal. You probably sucked at the game and it made you rage more than anything. People who rage are people who are taking the game too seriously. You obviously took it too serious and forgot to have fun. Wahhhh noob tubes and campers wahhhh. So what! Play the game how you want and have some fun. MW2 allowed for so many different playstyles and it was always fun trying new things.



Thank you for reinforcing my point. :)


As I said in my OP, "MW2 was complete thrash, however it had soooo many ways that bad kids could pad their precious KDR, that all that cheeze posted above is OK with them. Their excuse - "but it was fun doing that"."


BTW I didn't suck at the game, but yes I did get upset at all the things that IW was supposed to fix and never did.


And no I didn't have fun, when you go from a near-perfect game such as COD4 to a perfect mess that was MW2, I don't get how that's fun?


Finally - I loved COD4 and MW3 (for Specialist/MOABS/& non-MW2 BS) I hated MW2/and MP40 of duty. BO was meh and BO2 can't truly be judged until Trey puts in their patches...


The game was fun. PERIOD. Why do you care so much about what "bad kids" are doing and just play how YOU want. That's the main problem with you complainers, you whine and whine and blame others for playing a certain way. I thought noob tubing was gay, but if some punk wants to use it then so be it. I just had to overcome it. Camping is noobish, but im not gonna complain about the people that do it because they can play however the hell they want. Remember, it's a game. If you don't have fun, then don't play it.

It's quite silly how you are trying so hard to make people change their minds about MW2. Fun factor always wins.