I've yet to run into a single person using a shotgun that was legitimately good

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3 years ago#11
the same can be said for any class of weapon in cod. if you're good you can do well with any weapon. if you're bad then you're cannon fodder and they only manage to kill you because you made a mistake.
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3 years ago#12
From: Made_of_fail | #010
I always go 70+ kills in dom with a full party. Overall k/d is a 3.82. 870 k/d is a 4.07.

That makes it slightly less impressive.
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3 years ago#13
From: RS_YELARAKA | Posted: 12/22/2012 2:28:42 AM | #008
I succeed just fine with an AR.......


and I succeed with an LMG. My point is that SMGs outperform both 99% of the time.
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3 years ago#14
fatclemenza posted...
From: Made_of_fail | #010
I always go 70+ kills in dom with a full party. Overall k/d is a 3.82. 870 k/d is a 4.07.

That makes it slightly less impressive.


And the fact he's running shotty makes it even more less impressive.
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3 years ago#15
Loshadt posted...
From: RS_YELARAKA | Posted: 12/22/2012 2:28:42 AM | #008
I succeed just fine with an AR.......


and I succeed with an LMG. My point is that SMGs outperform both 99% of the time.


what? lol

Exaggerate much
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3 years ago#16
Isaac. Are we still buddies?

I agree with the topic.
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3 years ago#17
I run KSG primarily and 870 on smaller maps. I rarely score under top 5 in every match.

It has nothing to do with being "good enough with other guns". I'll run an AR or SMG all day, but I prefer the challenge of a shotgun.

AR's and SMG's have the advantage of range and rate of fire. If you can see me further than 15 yards, you can hit me and possibly kill me. I can't do that with a shotgun. This forces me to play smarter and keep focused on my surroundings. Even the KSG has it's limits, and if I miss you with my first shot, it's most likely game over for me.

Since the maps on BO2 are so claustrophobic, shotguns have a HUGE advantage in the area of twitch-fire. You can't go more than 25 feet without being surprised by an enemy popping up from nowhere. While your spray and pray tactic struggles to get your 3-4 bullet kill, I've already downed you with buckshot to the face. If you ask me, using anything other than a wide spread one-shot kill weapon is putting yourself at a disadvantage in the cramped areas of the maps. Obviously, this does not apply to engagements further than 15 to 20 yards where the 870 is useless and the KSG requires pinpoint accuracy.

You can piss and moan about shotguns all you want. In the end it's about preference and skill with that particular weapon. If they suck with a shotgun, then why are you complaining? Go kill him and call it a day.
3 years ago#18
RS_YELARAKA posted...
fatclemenza posted...
From: Made_of_fail | #010
I always go 70+ kills in dom with a full party. Overall k/d is a 3.82. 870 k/d is a 4.07.

That makes it slightly less impressive.


And the fact he's running shotty makes it even more less impressive.


@fatboy Yeah but hey, you basically can't play dom with 5 other randoms.

@whatevername Fact is, I'd wreck you with any gun, using a shotgun all these years has honed my aim to the extreme. Add to the fact I probably have more map awareness than 98% of the people playing cod, it wouldn't matter if I was using a shotgun or not. Fact is, the 870 is merely average. Spas 12 from MW2, Blops, and MW3 all have better range. Usas is better. Striker is better. Hell even the W1200 is better imo. I don't get why you children complain so much about an average shotgun. What you should complain about is the maps, they cater too much to CQC.

I'm done.
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3 years ago#19
From: Made_of_fail | #018
@fatboy Yeah but hey, you basically can't play dom with 5 other randoms.

Oh I won't argue that, its just you would die a lot more without a full party winning gunfights on your flanks and likely putting up VSATs twice a match each.
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3 years ago#20
Made_of_fail posted...
RS_YELARAKA posted...
fatclemenza posted...
From: Made_of_fail | #010
I always go 70+ kills in dom with a full party. Overall k/d is a 3.82. 870 k/d is a 4.07.

That makes it slightly less impressive.


And the fact he's running shotty makes it even more less impressive.


@fatboy Yeah but hey, you basically can't play dom with 5 other randoms.

@whatevername Fact is, I'd wreck you with any gun, using a shotgun all these years has honed my aim to the extreme. Add to the fact I probably have more map awareness than 98% of the people playing cod, it wouldn't matter if I was using a shotgun or not. Fact is, the 870 is merely average. Spas 12 from MW2, Blops, and MW3 all have better range. Usas is better. Striker is better. Hell even the W1200 is better imo. I don't get why you children complain so much about an average shotgun. What you should complain about is the maps, they cater too much to CQC.

I'm done.


LMAO at aiming shotguns part
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