What was the problem with MW3?

#21l Dudeboy lPosted 1/9/2013 7:22:35 AM
Assassin.
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#22SergioMach5Posted 1/9/2013 7:26:07 AM
I have a lot of problems with Modern Warfare 3, but the biggest has to be that it solidified the "same CoD every year" arguement that others use against the series for some time up to that, and came out just when the series needed to show otherwise....but it did NOTHING. It kept some of the problems in MW2 and didn't add in lessons learned from black ops. It was happy to copy/paste the entire game together.

Honestly, if you had no prior knowledge of this game, would you believe this is a new game, or an expansion pack?
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#23lolcharizardPosted 1/9/2013 7:29:35 AM
l Dudeboy l posted...
Assassin.


Saved MW3 from being downright unplayable. Unless you mean you wanted to camp near your portable radar and abuse the hell out of marksman.
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#24Silver17Posted 1/9/2013 7:30:52 AM
Is it confirmed that's what they were gonna do? Or is that just the word of the CEO to cover their butt as to why they put out a crappy game. If I knew it was going to happen 100 percent, then I probably would do the same thing. If I wasn't though, I would let them build the game they worked so hard on, and then if they broke their contract file suit. Instead they jumped the gun, and whether its true or not that they were planning on walking, IW comes out looking like the bad guys.


^ You need to be 100%?

IMO if there's "enough evidence" that you are gonna get poached, you don't wait to be at 100%. You get rid of the problem before it gets worse.



Also with Activision settling, let me ask you this. Let's say you get a ticket and you knew that you were not in the wrong but you didn't have the means to prove it. Are you gonna fight it, or are you gonna take the guilty plea with probation (if available)?

^ Sure you could say Apples and Oranges, but sometimes you got to think about what you stand to lose and do what you think is best for you...
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#25l Dudeboy lPosted 1/9/2013 7:32:46 AM
From: lolcharizard | #023
Saved MW3 from being downright unplayable.


LOL
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#26Silver17Posted 1/9/2013 7:35:38 AM
SergioMach5 posted...
I have a lot of problems with Modern Warfare 3, but the biggest has to be that it solidified the "same CoD every year" arguement that others use against the series for some time up to that, and came out just when the series needed to show otherwise....but it did NOTHING. It kept some of the problems in MW2 and didn't add in lessons learned from black ops. It was happy to copy/paste the entire game together.

Honestly, if you had no prior knowledge of this game, would you believe this is a new game, or an expansion pack?



If you ran Specialist (and many people did) then YES you would think it's a new game.


Heck even if you didn't run Specialist, IMHO it was worth getting just to be away from the plagued problems of MW2 that I listed earlier...
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#27Hardcore74LeoPosted 1/9/2013 7:37:45 AM
Silver17 posted...
Is it confirmed that's what they were gonna do? Or is that just the word of the CEO to cover their butt as to why they put out a crappy game. If I knew it was going to happen 100 percent, then I probably would do the same thing. If I wasn't though, I would let them build the game they worked so hard on, and then if they broke their contract file suit. Instead they jumped the gun, and whether its true or not that they were planning on walking, IW comes out looking like the bad guys.


^ You need to be 100%?

IMO if there's "enough evidence" that you are gonna get poached, you don't wait to be at 100%. You get rid of the problem before it gets worse.



Also with Activision settling, let me ask you this. Let's say you get a ticket and you knew that you were not in the wrong but you didn't have the means to prove it. Are you gonna fight it, or are you gonna take the guilty plea with probation (if available)?

^ Sure you could say Apples and Oranges, but sometimes you got to think about what you stand to lose and do what you think is best for you...


The key issue I'm talking about is them breaking their contract, which is a legally binding document. If they broke the contract then bam, instant win/easy lawsuit for activision. The proof would already be there. Instead they make the developers look like the victims and other developers gobble them up quickly. Instead if they had actually waited for them to break contract, then not only are they completely justified and it would be easy to win a lawsuit against them, it sets a bad image on the two and developers would be less likely to hire someone who is willing to break contract.
#28Zero IXPosted 1/9/2013 7:43:03 AM
Thanks to West, Zampella, and Activision, what might have been one of the greatest FPSes (well, as a great as a massively casual game can be) of all time was released in an unfinished state, with significant gameplay issues and serious glitches, not to mention an utter lack of support for most of its lifespan.

Whoever shares the lion's share of the blame is irrelevant because ultimately it was us, the consumers and loyal player base, who suffered most as a result of the falling-out.
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#29Silver17Posted 1/9/2013 7:46:17 AM
The key issue I'm talking about is them breaking their contract, which is a legally binding document. If they broke the contract then bam, instant win/easy lawsuit for activision. The proof would already be there. Instead they make the developers look like the victims and other developers gobble them up quickly. Instead if they had actually waited for them to break contract, then not only are they completely justified and it would be easy to win a lawsuit against them, it sets a bad image on the two and developers would be less likely to hire someone who is willing to break contract.


No I know what you are saying, but if Activision would have waited too long they would have run the risk of losing their own.

Sure it comes down to a "He said she said" (which is why I used the ticket analogy earlier) but replacing skilled employees is not fun and is usually a costly mess with training/payroll/if they are gonna work out/ETC...


BTW I think Activision didn't really care either way about the public opinion in all of that, because I'm sure the majority of the community doesn't even know what happened. IMO they did what was most cost effective, and moved on...
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#30motoraptorPosted 1/9/2013 7:47:16 AM
For the challenges where you have to get a kill with a killstreak in the final killcam, there were only challenges for killstreaks that were also in MW2 such as predator missile, sentry turret, attack chopper, etc. But for the killseaks introduced in MW3 there was no challenge (reaper, assault drone, strafe run, etc.).

So f***ing lazy. Don't tell me that all of the changes at IW made them so strapped for time that they couldn't add the challenges.
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