I'm honestly surprised at how nerfed the knife is in this game.

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GreatKiraLord
Posted 1/14/2013 12:14:32 PM
I like it like this.
I like how BF3 approached the knifing thing.
Why does a knife one shot while a bullet doesn't?
aheroafake
Posted 1/14/2013 12:25:36 PM
GreatKiraLord posted...
I like it like this.
I like how BF3 approached the knifing thing.
Why does a knife one shot while a bullet doesn't?


This is a video game, much less CoD. It doesn't have to make sense>_<
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Sega9599
Posted 1/14/2013 12:26:31 PM
Darxide posted...
aheroafake posted...
FeelMyBlade posted...
The way it should be.


Disagree. If someone is in your damn face, the knife shouldn't miss and **** you over.


If someone is in your damn face and you shoot them they shouldn't be able to knife you.

That was the biggest issue with knives, imo. A bullet spray won't kill you, but getting scratched on the arm with a knife will?

Watching people waltz through rounds to knife you was mind-boggling.


That arguement is worthless.

A bullet spray won't kill you, but two taps with a shield will?
A C4 won't will you and yet a scrath with an axe will?
A direct missile fired from a lodestar won't kill you and yet one little touch from the Guardian will?

And the best is..... A bullet spry won't kill you, but one scratch from a dog will?





And yet al people complained about was the knife. As if the knife was the worst thing abut every Cod ever. As if people literally went 50-0 just using knife constantly every game. As if in a gunfight on an open field, somehow the knife would win against an AR.


The knife was meant for CQC only. Every weapon outranges the knife. Every last one of them, and yet people complained because the 'knife wasn't realistic lol, one little tiny insignificant touch from knife shouldn't kill you' When the knife gets a kill it's not registering as a 'little flesh wound'. It registers as an instant kill, a deathblow. Same with freaking dogs, who knows maybe in real life you could shot the dog if he has hold of your leg. But in the game, the dogs instantly kill you. They don't go for 'specific body parts', the game isn't tailored that way. Neither is the knife, but yet people don't seem to understand that.
All they saw was a knife kill that looked BS to them, because of lag. That's all.
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LedMikeW
Posted 1/14/2013 12:27:42 PM
Basically the knife needed to be nerfed some but was over-nerfed. It honestly may as well not even be there now. If you walk up behind someone and slash at them and hit nothing that is broken. There are times when a knife should be used as well. Like taking out a sniper that is unaware or really whenever you're behind enemy lines and can, in order to remain quiet. And suppressors are not completely quiet. Really the people who like it now, you basically just want it removed from the game entirely right?
QualiT
Posted 1/14/2013 12:41:49 PM
"Panic knifing" has still saved me a few times in this game.
Especially those times when you've just killed 3 guys turned around and seen another and you have no bullets in your mag, might as well knife right? what do you have to lose..
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Darxide
Posted 1/14/2013 12:45:47 PM
Sega9599 posted...
Darxide posted...
aheroafake posted...
FeelMyBlade posted...
The way it should be.


Disagree. If someone is in your damn face, the knife shouldn't miss and **** you over.


If someone is in your damn face and you shoot them they shouldn't be able to knife you.

That was the biggest issue with knives, imo. A bullet spray won't kill you, but getting scratched on the arm with a knife will?

Watching people waltz through rounds to knife you was mind-boggling.


That arguement is worthless.

A bullet spray won't kill you, but two taps with a shield will?
A C4 won't will you and yet a scrath with an axe will?
A direct missile fired from a lodestar won't kill you and yet one little touch from the Guardian will?

And the best is..... A bullet spry won't kill you, but one scratch from a dog will?





And yet al people complained about was the knife. As if the knife was the worst thing abut every Cod ever. As if people literally went 50-0 just using knife constantly every game. As if in a gunfight on an open field, somehow the knife would win against an AR.


The knife was meant for CQC only. Every weapon outranges the knife. Every last one of them, and yet people complained because the 'knife wasn't realistic lol, one little tiny insignificant touch from knife shouldn't kill you' When the knife gets a kill it's not registering as a 'little flesh wound'. It registers as an instant kill, a deathblow. Same with freaking dogs, who knows maybe in real life you could shot the dog if he has hold of your leg. But in the game, the dogs instantly kill you. They don't go for 'specific body parts', the game isn't tailored that way. Neither is the knife, but yet people don't seem to understand that.
All they saw was a knife kill that looked BS to them, because of lag. That's all.


So, it's perfectly okay to be able to run through bullets to knife someone.

Okay.
Rikiaz
Posted 1/14/2013 12:48:29 PM
Hagan posted...
forgotten0285 posted...
knife isnt nerfed. its just tiered.

panic knife - worthless
ballistic knife - average
tactical knife - pretty decent lunge
naked knife - broken as ever


The ballistic knife actually has a longer lunge than the regular combat knife.


No it doesn't. But it's hit box is more forgiving. Tac knife and Combat Knife have about the same. Tac Knife is the best for knife kills. Source: see my first post.
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Sega9599
Posted 1/14/2013 12:53:42 PM
Darxide posted...
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So, it's perfectly okay to be able to run through bullets to knife someone.

Okay.


That's the way the game is made. This game. This video game. It's made that way. Logically, the kinfe is a mechanic designed to kill at very close range. A video game mechanic. In real life, you can't run through bullets period. Not to knife, not to C4, not to counter fire. Maybe you can run through with an assualt shield. But in real life, you can't run straight up to people firing bulllets anyway. For anything.

In this game, yes you can take multiple bullet hits before dying.
In this game, if you are extremely close, you can kill someone in one hit from the knife.

Get used to it. Or get gone.
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Darxide
Posted 1/15/2013 5:53:15 AM
Sega9599 posted...
Darxide posted...
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So, it's perfectly okay to be able to run through bullets to knife someone.

Okay.


That's the way the game is made. This game. This video game. It's made that way. Logically, the kinfe is a mechanic designed to kill at very close range. A video game mechanic. In real life, you can't run through bullets period. Not to knife, not to C4, not to counter fire. Maybe you can run through with an assualt shield. But in real life, you can't run straight up to people firing bulllets anyway. For anything.

In this game, yes you can take multiple bullet hits before dying.
In this game, if you are extremely close, you can kill someone in one hit from the knife.

Get used to it. Or get gone.


It's a bad mechanic. CoD is the only FPS that handles melee this way. Even Halo had sense enough to only make it an insta-kill from behind.

There's a pretty good reason why- it's a terrible mechanic. And it's good that they are nerfing it into oblivion, because video games don't have to be realistic, but they should make sense to some degree.

Guns should NEVER be a liability in an FPS. Melee should be a desperation-last-resort- I'm-out-of-bullets-god- I-hope-this-works decision.

I've always thought the knife would be perfect if:

- lunge insta-kill from behind
- 2 hit swipe kill from front/side
- taking damage cancels knife animation
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