If MW2 came out after this game, would it be better?

#61DontoganPosted 1/22/2013 8:55:51 PM
TimandEric posted...
kennyindy posted...
From: adeel | #005
Yes. It would literally blow every CoD (bar 4) out the water. Besides the stuff that ultimately broke the game, the game was extremely well made. I can't wait for the guys who left Infinity Ward and are starting their own company to release there next game.


This whole post is hilarious, but the bold is especially fail worthy. This is exactly why it's the worst COD multiplayer... Totally broken and Infinity Ward refused to do anything about it...

I would completely give up on the series, as would all TRUE COD fans.

P.S. Jessica Alba has herpes and Megan Fox is not good looking, plus she has toe thumbs, so I wouldn't mess with either... Now Meagan Good on the other hand... :)


Agreed, this is the problem with and what makes most MW2 fanboys particularly annoying. They conveniently overlook all the glaring flaws and fundamentally broken game mechanics and only see the potential that the game had, not what the game actually was.


This. Even worse, many of these same people were vocal critics of the game not only when it was released, but after BO came out, too.
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#62DutchZombiePosted 1/23/2013 12:46:46 PM
TimandEric posted...


"Guns optional?" Just stop and read what you said there, because that is one of the most ridiculous arguments i've ever seen anyone try to make. How on earth do you guys think that a Call of Duty game where you can play with a "guns optional" play style is anything but completely ludicrous?

Call of Duty IS an FPS. Does it have certain RPG elements to it? Sure, but you can deny reality all you want, Call of Duty IS an FPS. You have a First Person View and use guns to shoot enemies......it's an FPS, it's pretty simple.

The most mind-numbingly annoying thing about MW2 fanboys is that you guys are the ultimate hypocrites. You gripe and complain about all the "flaws" of every game since, and then proceed to put MW2 on this pedestal and claim it was nothing but rainbows and unicorns. The most hilarious argument I always hear is the false notion that "OMA/DC is the only thing that kept that game from being God's gift to humanity".

While I admit it was very enjoyable in it's heyday, the game was a broken mess from launch date, and no amount of patches were going to fix all the glitches, exploits, and fundamentally flawed gameplay mechanics. Javelin glitch, CP glitch, Shottys as secondaries, akimbo 1887s, MLC knifers, OMA/DC, scavenger claymore resupply, and yes, ridiculously powerful stacking killstreaks.

And please don't gimme that "COD4 started the killstreak trend" crap, because it didn't. MW had a very simple 3-5-7 setup that still kept the gameplay focused on gun combat. It wasn't until MW2 that they introduced the cluster-f**k of random KS's that shifted the focus from actual gun combat to the "camp for killstreaks" and combo-chaining playstyles that now infest this franchise.

Of course killstreaks matter to you, why else would u try and construct such a logically flawed argument in order to defend them? We get it, you guys like the "easy kills" that killstreaks provide, but you fail to realize that killstreaks have bastardized what Call of Duty used to and SHOULD be about. Call of Duty has been and should be about the players demonstrating their skill and competing using GUNS, not magic super-powered killstreak rewards that require little to no effort to use. (Rant over) good day sir


How is that ridiculous? Did MW2 not have perks specifically for a knifing class? Did they not add a riot shield as a weapon? Is the riot shield a gun? Everything in MW2 was designed with the flexibility to allow players to use anything they wanted. So what if, someone used a riot shield class with C4, or used MLC to knife people? Just because it doesn't adhere to your idiotic definition of what a COD game should be like, doesn't mean it's a bad game. Clearly IW put all those things in the damn game on purpose, which means they intended for alternate playstyles (like knifing) to happen. You didn't make the game, so you don't get to say what should have or shouldn't have been in there. I'm sorry you can't follow simple logic. Maybe another FPS would suit you better, because clearly this is not the game for you.

As it stands, MW2 (even with its flaws) is still one of the best entries in the series. COD4 did start kill streak chaining, or did you forget that once you got a chopper you could use that to keep getting kill streaks indefinitely? MW2 actually fixed that problem. Maybe you forgot the Frag X3 spam, Martyrdom, spawn tubing or quick scoping that was rampant in COD4?

I already stated that I did equally well in Barebones as I did in Core. So that could either mean that I'm a total bad ass or kill streaks didn't matter as much as you think. It could also mean you don't understand plain English and like to cry about MW2 kicking your ass every day. Kill streaks were never that bad in MW2. Then again, I always had a Stinger class ready. I'm guessing you didn't.
#63Teh_5_StarzPosted 1/23/2013 12:48:26 PM
Aether_Lyric posted...
It would have been a big step back after the things future games introduced (Pick 10 system, specialist, theatre, etc)

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#64BrownPackPosted 1/23/2013 2:25:52 PM
TimandEric posted...
The most mind-numbingly annoying thing about MW2 fanboys is that you guys are the ultimate hypocrites. You gripe and complain about all the "flaws" of every game since, and then proceed to put MW2 on this pedestal and claim it was nothing but rainbows and unicorns. The most hilarious argument I always hear is the false notion that "OMA/DC is the only thing that kept that game from being God's gift to humanity"


We aren't hypocrites. There's one thing that separates MW2 fanboys from BO/MW3/BO2 fanboys. And the thing that separates us is the things we complain about.

MW2 fanboys hate BO/MW3/BO2 because:
-the hit detection isn't as good
-the net coding is clearly inferior
-lag compensation almost makes the games unplayable.

BO/MW3/BO2 fanboys hate MW2 because:
-Model 1887's
-Shotgun secondaries
-Killstreaks
-Commando
-Marathon + Lightweight
-OMA/DC
-etc

Here's the thing.

MW2 fanboys hate the other games because they have REAL problems within the game's build. Bad netcoding, sloppy hit detection, and lag compensation are unavoidable problems.

Problems that can NOT be avoided. BO/BO2 fans hate MW2 because of things that CAN be avoided or are patched (which is idiotic to complain about, quite frankly). Killstreaks can easily be avoided by using Cold Blooded. I still don't know why people cry about them to this day. Commando is annoying as hell, but without Ninja being used, footsteps can be heard from so far away. Shotgun secondaries? Come on, we've all be over this. They aren't OP in any way, nor do they throw off weapon balance. They do their job as a secondary, and that's it. OMA/DC is the only REAL problem in MW2. Everything else can be countered, or argued against.

While I admit it was very enjoyable in it's heyday, the game was a broken mess from launch date, and no amount of patches were going to fix all the glitches, exploits, and fundamentally flawed gameplay mechanics. Javelin glitch, CP glitch, Shottys as secondaries, akimbo 1887s, MLC knifers, OMA/DC, scavenger claymore resupply, and yes, ridiculously powerful stacking killstreaks.

Now you just sound like a terrible player. First off, don't mention things that were already fixed as part of your argument. You look so stupid and ignorant by doing so. Scavenger Claymore supply? XD this is still one of the funniest things I've ever heard being complained about in MW2. Either you use Sitrep to see where they are planted, or you STOP running to the guy like an idiot and giving him free kills. Of all things you complain about. Seriously. And "ridiculously powerful stacking killstreaks"? really? Did you forget how quickly they go down when you use a stinger? Oh yeah, that's right, you probably aren't a team player, and you only focus on raising your K/D level. I bet your SPM is terrible.
#65BrownPackPosted 1/23/2013 2:25:54 PM
And please don't gimme that "COD4 started the killstreak trend" crap, because it didn't. MW had a very simple 3-5-7 setup that still kept the gameplay focused on gun combat. It wasn't until MW2 that they introduced the cluster-f**k of random KS's that shifted the focus from actual gun combat to the "camp for killstreaks" and combo-chaining playstyles that now infest this franchise.

Have you ever thought of any other factors? Seriously? Maybe it's not just the game. Unless you have been living under a rock with your 1980's tube TV to play the Xbox 360 your mom bought you, you'd notice that the Call of Duty community has made a drastic change since Cod4 but wasn't noticeable until MW2 came out. Little kids, montage tryhards, and other immature players have increased exponentially since Cod4. They just haven't made a name for themselves since MW2. Anyways, my point is, mature players don't camp for killstreaks. Only K/D whores and little kids do. Even then, who cares about killstreaks? A chopper gunner is 11 kills. ELEVEN kills. Yes, that can be a lot of work, but with a predator missile, it will be a lot less. BUT, 2 shots from a stinger can take it down in a handful of seconds, making all 11 kills pointless.


Of course killstreaks matter to you, why else would u try and construct such a logically flawed argument in order to defend them? We get it, you guys like the "easy kills" that killstreaks provide, but you fail to realize that killstreaks have bastardized what Call of Duty used to and SHOULD be about. Call of Duty has been and should be about the players demonstrating their skill and competing using GUNS, not magic super-powered killstreak rewards that require little to no effort to use. (Rant over) good day sir

Notice how we almost never use killstreaks as our argument as to why MW2 is the better/best CoD. That's because it isn't a big factor to us. What really matters to us is the variety, balance, and great engine, something that only MW2 has been able to provide to us ever since. BO came close, but didn't cut it. MW3 and BO2 are just far off the mark.
#66TimandEricPosted 1/23/2013 3:58:27 PM
DutchZombie posted...
TimandEric posted...


Did MW2 not have perks specifically for a knifing class? Did they not add a riot shield as a weapon? Is the riot shield a gun? Everything in MW2 was designed with the flexibility to allow players to use anything they wanted. So what if, someone used a riot shield class with C4, or used MLC to knife people? Just because it doesn't adhere to your idiotic definition of what a COD game should be like, doesn't mean it's a bad game. Clearly IW put all those things in the damn game on purpose, which means they intended for alternate playstyles (like knifing) to happen. You didn't make the game, so you don't get to say what should have or shouldn't have been in there. I'm sorry you can't follow simple logic. Maybe another FPS would suit you better, because clearly this is not the game for you.

As it stands, MW2 (even with its flaws) is still one of the best entries in the series. COD4 did start kill streak chaining, or did you forget that once you got a chopper you could use that to keep getting kill streaks indefinitely? MW2 actually fixed that problem. Maybe you forgot the Frag X3 spam, Martyrdom, spawn tubing or quick scoping that was rampant in COD4?

I already stated that I did equally well in Barebones as I did in Core. So that could either mean that I'm a total bad ass or kill streaks didn't matter as much as you think. It could also mean you don't understand plain English and like to cry about MW2 kicking your ass every day. Kill streaks were never that bad in MW2. Then again, I always had a Stinger class ready. I'm guessing you didn't.


Gotta love MW2 fanboy logic. "If u complain about anything in my precious game it just means you suck noob". <----That's pretty much what I got out of your long winded defense of ur holy grail of gaming.

I love how the first thing you guys always assume is that everyone who disagrees with u hates the game. On the contrary, MW2 is my 3rd favorite CoD title, so how about you save the grade school insults for someone else champ?

1. CoD4 wasn't perfect by any means, where did I say that in my post? Oh right, I didn't. Quick scoping and 3x frag are legit complaints, but everything else you stated is present in MW2, so again, back to the "hypocrite" label that you just can't seem to avoid.

2. CoD4 "chopper chaining" was an unintended flaw in the game's design that people exploited. You have to be delusional to honestly compare it to the intentionally designed "chain-streaks" in MW2. Are you going to tell me that it was easier to chopper chain than it was to Pred-Harrier-CG? Or Pred-Pavelow-AC-130? Or Harrier-Pavelow-CG? And on and on and on? (getting the picture?)

3. Do I need to list all the issues in MW2 again? I assume you're smarter than that, so u can just look at my previous post. But, while I'm at it I'll list a few more that I missed: Emergency Air-drop glitch, Rock glitch on Fuel, akimbo raffikas/g-18s, Commando knife range (kinda goes with MLC knifers), nuke boosting, tac insert outside of map, etc. etc...........etc.

I'm sure you'll continue the whining, childish name-calling, and proclaiming that MW2 is a gift from the heavens amongst all the drudgery of every other CoD title no matter what logical evidence and argument is presented towards you. I suppose I should have expected it, coming from someone who keeps vehemently denying that CoD is a First Person Shooter.

If you can't agree with the widely accepted fact that CoD is an FPS franchise, then how can anyone take anything you say about the game seriously? Or better yet, make a poll topic and see how many other people think that it isn't a First Person Shooter......my guess is that you will be sorely disappointed. Or even better yet, go back to MW2 and stay there, I don't really care.
#67DutchZombiePosted 1/23/2013 6:13:09 PM
Right, because you saying that people that like MW2 only do because of the kill streaks, is totally different. Even if we play Barebones (that's the mode without kill streaks), we still like the game because we need kill streaks to do the work for us. Yeah, your logic is infallible.

1) your argument was that COD4 was primarily about gun on gun gameplay. Where do Frag X3, Martyrdom and noob tubes figure into that equation? Are they guns? Does Martyrdom not get you an easy free kill? Your argument is not only flawed, it's a complete fabrication.

2)Chopper chaining was easier, because after getting that chopper you wouldn't have to fire a shot for the rest of the match. Same can't be said for CG/AC-130.

3)The Rock glitch on Fuel was out of the way. The only reason anybody went there, was to shoot rock glitchers. It's certainly not worse than the Overgrown rock glitch or Treyarch sucking at making foot steps audible. Patched glitches shouldn't even be mentioned, since they don't even exist anymore. MLC, akimbo raffica's and shotguns were all fine. You'd have to be a real sore loser to complain about those. So yeah, you do suck. Anyone that even had half a brain could do well with ANY set-up in MW2, so if you couldn't hack it then that's your bad. So unless you have anything besides your constant whining as proof, you should just stop embarrassing yourself.
#68BrownPackPosted 1/23/2013 6:30:28 PM
DutchZombie posted...
Right, because you saying that people that like MW2 only do because of the kill streaks, is totally different. Even if we play Barebones (that's the mode without kill streaks), we still like the game because we need kill streaks to do the work for us. Yeah, your logic is infallible.

1) your argument was that COD4 was primarily about gun on gun gameplay. Where do Frag X3, Martyrdom and noob tubes figure into that equation? Are they guns? Does Martyrdom not get you an easy free kill? Your argument is not only flawed, it's a complete fabrication.

2)Chopper chaining was easier, because after getting that chopper you wouldn't have to fire a shot for the rest of the match. Same can't be said for CG/AC-130.

3)The Rock glitch on Fuel was out of the way. The only reason anybody went there, was to shoot rock glitchers. It's certainly not worse than the Overgrown rock glitch or Treyarch sucking at making foot steps audible. Patched glitches shouldn't even be mentioned, since they don't even exist anymore. MLC, akimbo raffica's and shotguns were all fine. You'd have to be a real sore loser to complain about those. So yeah, you do suck. Anyone that even had half a brain could do well with ANY set-up in MW2, so if you couldn't hack it then that's your bad. So unless you have anything besides your constant whining as proof, you should just stop embarrassing yourself.


I really wish people who tried to mention patched stuff would get banned. Seriously. I'm tired of MW2 haters hating on things that don't even exist anymore.
#69Foxx3kPosted 1/23/2013 6:32:47 PM
I hated Modern Warfare 2... I don't know why, but it was easily my least favorite game in the series until now. I think it was because of Predators. I hate Predators. They ruin everything.

But, I mean, in light of ... now ... it's hard to complain about that.
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#70MG42_CHEFPosted 1/23/2013 6:34:12 PM
NinjaDeath911 posted...
No
The kill streaks were too much
Every gun killed in like 2 shots giving you zero room to shoot back
The ice skating around the map with marathon/lightweight
The maps were overrated
Nukes were dumb
Did I mention that this game was more about kill streaks and less about gun play?
Or how horrible an idea shotguns as secondaries was?

All I hear people cry about is "it was easier to get kills in mw2"

So I'm assuming you just suck at the blops series

Go back to MW2 and stay there with your death streaks lol


Sorry but your post is wrong for the most part. I'd rather die and kill faster to maintain a fast pace of gameplay. Blops games have garbage netcoding and hit detection and you kill slower, it doesn't make sense.

The maps are not as good as CoD4 but Blops1,2 and MW3 are all bad (sans Summit, FR, Standoff, Seatown, and Hardhat). MW2 had amazing maps. None were really bad. Maybe some choices in the design were annoying but not nearly as craptastic as the above mentioned.

Shotguns should have been primaries with that I will back you.

The killstreaks were fun though. It was easy to get them and that is what I look forward to. Blops 1 and 2 not so. I get killed off high streaks far too often that I have given up on using anything higher than Stealth Chopper. Nukes were dumb I agree.

MLC was annoying but also insanely fun when you did it. You also had shotgun secondaries to repel them as well as G18s and the pistols were also incredible.
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