As a player who generally hates smg users, this last patch was too much.

#1dioxxysPosted 3/13/2013 11:32:05 PM
I've been rooting on treyarch since the beginning for nerfing the smgs alot, but this last one was too much.

Maybe not the hipfire spread, because its always nice to not let them just run around spraying, but that added recoil is stupid.

I mean the those 2 smgs must have the same or more recoil then the mtar now.
#2zxrax_alt_1Posted 3/13/2013 11:43:18 PM
Not really. They're still good. MSMC is excellent.
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#3supercoolisaacPosted 3/13/2013 11:43:41 PM
they're fine.
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#4tokyowatcherPosted 3/13/2013 11:48:48 PM
no, they screwed the pooch on the pdw, I moved to mw3 already. no big loss here.
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#5BgSoAPosted 3/14/2013 12:04:59 AM
The PDW should have had some considerable downside; in past CoDs, the P90's strength was always its mag size; well, in this game it had no real competition except the MSMC, which had 20 less bullets. If the Scorpion Evo had a 1000 RPM and was a 3 hit kill, you'd never see any other smg used ever; it'd be this games PP90M1.

The PDW is just the best smg because of its 3 hit kill, low recoil, and big ammo. It did get nerfed into oblivion though...
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#6Silver17Posted 3/14/2013 12:07:42 AM
I'm still ****ed off about the PDW getting nerfed yet again, but whatever.


Treyarch just has issues saying no to whiners. Eventually they always get their gun tweaks even if the change doesn't make any sense...
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#7Silver17Posted 3/14/2013 12:18:10 AM(edited)
BgSoA posted...
The PDW should have had some considerable downside; in past CoDs, the P90's strength was always its mag size; well, in this game it had no real competition except the MSMC, which had 20 less bullets. If the Scorpion Evo had a 1000 RPM and was a 3 hit kill, you'd never see any other smg used ever; it'd be this games PP90M1.

The PDW is just the best smg because of its 3 hit kill, low recoil, and big ammo. It did get nerfed into oblivion though...



IMO P90 was dominant in both COD4 and MW3.

In COD4 the only other gun that really competed was the MP5 (and maybe the AK74) but I'd still take the P90 over them.

MW3, sure you could make the case for UMP/PP90/MP7 but I still ran the P90 more than anything else. No other SMG IMHO was even close...
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#8nath999Posted 3/14/2013 12:22:30 AM
tokyowatcher posted...
no, they screwed the pooch on the pdw, I moved to mw3 already. no big loss here.


You moved back to MW3 cause they nerfed the PDW? lmao
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#9BgSoAPosted 3/14/2013 12:29:42 AM
Silver17 posted...



IMO P90 was dominant in both COD4 and MW3.

In COD4 the only other gun that really competed was the MP5 (and maybe the AK74) but I'd still take the P90 over them.

MW3, sure you could make the case for UMP/PP90/MP7 but I still ran the P90 more than anything else. No other SMG IMHO was even close...


I ran into very few P90s compared to MP7s and PP90M1s. I never played CoD4, so I can't fairly say, but in MW2 and MW3 the P90 has been consistently out classed except in its magazine size.

But I agree; a P90 with Rapid Fire and a Red Dot/Silencer/Extended Mags/etc was my go to gun for when I needed to try hard.
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#10Silver17Posted 3/14/2013 12:46:10 AM
BgSoA posted...
Silver17 posted...



IMO P90 was dominant in both COD4 and MW3.

In COD4 the only other gun that really competed was the MP5 (and maybe the AK74) but I'd still take the P90 over them.

MW3, sure you could make the case for UMP/PP90/MP7 but I still ran the P90 more than anything else. No other SMG IMHO was even close...


I ran into very few P90s compared to MP7s and PP90M1s. I never played CoD4, so I can't fairly say, but in MW2 and MW3 the P90 has been consistently out classed except in its magazine size.

But I agree; a P90 with Rapid Fire and a Red Dot/Silencer/Extended Mags/etc was my go to gun for when I needed to try hard.



P90 blew in MW2 since the UMP completely owned.

Then again unlimited tubes made things even harder for SMG users.


Also I never got why the MP7 got so much love in MW3. It was just an average gun with no recoil.

As for my MW3 P90, silenced w/ range or sometimes kick was setup of choice... :)
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