ESO macros/botting and open API ruining PvP

#1jagermeister12Posted 3/5/2014 5:20:57 PM
Well this is a major concern that is now surfacing about the game and has been causing an exodus from the game. As most of you are aware this game will have an open API. A concern with this is that it easily allows addons to track spells that enemies are casting, evaluating if the skill is interrupting and in the case that it is or if it is on a predifined list of interruptable skills that you have set up it then uses a second addon or third party software to auto-cast whatever interrupt skill you set up in this case (a common one is venom shot).

There is outrage on multiple forums since this negates the skill of PvP and botting has been looked down upon in MMO culture. The biggest problem though lies in the fact that ESO openly allows such actions and does not deem this as illegal. There are also a multitude of PvP videos by players in the 24/7 beta showing them using these addons/features.

I'm interested to hear what the MMO community here which I have been a member of since 2003 thinks about this. I am personally against such actions and think that ESO should remove features from its API that allows this activity, unfortunately at this juncture it does not appear they will do so thus forcing us to macro to remain viable in PvP. I guess setting up these macros next beta is going to be the majority of peoples focus just seems like a shame of what possibly could have been such a great game.

Here are some links referencing in further detail what I am referring to:

http://www.pcgamesn.com/elderscrolls/pvp-macro-abuse-upsets-elder-scrolls-online-beta-players

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1zgifa/tamriel_foundry_the_new_elitist_jerks/

http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1372159

http://www.product-reviews.net/2014/03/05/elder-scrolls-online-modding-api-ruining-pvp/
#2blowtreesPosted 3/5/2014 5:36:26 PM
The more things change....

3, 3 MUDs i've been banned from for trigger botting, ah ah ah ah...

really though, it's way more complex now, but the theory is the same. as long as the game and toolset allow for such a vast array of information, you'll be able to automate responses with the input/output information.
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#3WynnSilvergazePosted 3/5/2014 6:02:56 PM
The same API tools are there for WoW addon creators, has that ruined WoW PvP?
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#4nobattlePosted 3/5/2014 6:54:04 PM(edited)
And here is ZOS' reply:
As we get closer to launch, our beta events have continued to grow in player-size, and that growth has resulted in even more and more of you taking the time to experiment with our UI modding tools. Itís exciting to see the amazing add-ons you have come up with and for us, as developers, itís also a very important part of the beta process. Seeing what the community wants to add or change is helpful as we continue to tweak and balance the game Ė what are people looking for? what works? what doesnít? Finding the right answers to these questions often means leaving the API very open during this beta phase. It helps us see where limits may or may not be and helps us determine what makes the best possible ESO experience for everyone.

We welcome creativity and have built ESO on player-choice, but as a game played with thousands of others, we also must be mindful of any mods that give clear mechanical advantages in competitive situations. Maintaining a level playing field will always be our first priority. Our intent with add-ons is to encourage you to modify your UI in a way that is more fitting for your personal play-style, but not ones that could allow you to make choices for others. We do not want those who arenít interested in using an add-on to feel compelled to do so because they cannot remain competitive without them. As we continue beta testing, weíll continue to evaluate add-ons and the implications they have on other players, but you can expect changes to the API before launch and will share that information as it becomes available. Thank you to all of you that have created add-ons during this time Ė we appreciate your help in making ESO the best it can be.


http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/8282/ESOs-Addon-Conundrum.html#post

I also agree that enough is enough for MOD UI. It will make mechanics in the game pretty useless. Those mechanics add satisfaction to the game. ESO is more of a PvP oriented game and this MOD will take half the fun out of it.

OFF topic: hopefully, PvE can also match PvP expectations in the game as I haven't seen PvE end game content yet except for the three instanced dungeon presented during the beta weekend which led me to buy the game.
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#5GinjurPosted 3/5/2014 8:17:54 PM
Good to know ZOS on top of this.
#6LaManoNeraIIPosted 3/5/2014 8:24:02 PM
WoW was the only MMO I've played where the majority of players had a complete reliance on mods/add-ons. That kind of scrubness doesn't need to be taken into future MMOs
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#7ShlobmyknobPosted 3/5/2014 11:51:49 PM
You can bot and have all the add ons you want. In PvP if you take a flaming ballistic missile to the face its not going to help much
#8deltamiragePosted 3/6/2014 4:01:20 AM
WynnSilvergaze posted...
The same API tools are there for WoW addon creators, has that ruined WoW PvP?


Yes
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#9nobattlePosted 3/6/2014 7:58:33 AM
Shlobmyknob posted...
You can bot and have all the add ons you want. In PvP if you take a flaming ballistic missile to the face its not going to help much


Or an oil to the face :D... Some of the UI though will ruin small raids if Macros with the contreversial UIs are implemented. This UI is neglible in capturing a keep because everything is fast paced.
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#10WynnSilvergazePosted 3/6/2014 11:10:33 AM
deltamirage posted...
WynnSilvergaze posted...
The same API tools are there for WoW addon creators, has that ruined WoW PvP?


Yes


Care to elaborate on which addons so thoroughly destroyed WoW PvP?
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