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#1HeroicSomaCruzPosted 7/6/2012 9:39:07 AM
-Magneto's theme was better
-Wolverine's theme should be remixed like MvC's
-Psylocke and Thanos should be playable in MvC3
-No tag-teaming means no DHC's and infinites
-No X-Factor means no cheapness

Hopefully they can patch out any of the infinites in this game and it'll be balanced.
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#2RabitePosted 7/8/2012 5:29:22 AM
"-Magneto's theme was better
-Wolverine's theme should be remixed like MvC's
-Psylocke and Thanos should be playable in MvC3
-No tag-teaming means no DHC's and infinites
-No X-Factor means no cheapness

Hopefully they can patch out any of the infinites in this game and it'll be balanced."

- Subjective (personally don't recall)
- Won't happen since this is a direct port
- Capcom has said multiple times they are done with MvC3
- Yay and no assists either
- X-Factor was more of a crappy way to try to balance things for people and give a come back mechanic

If SF3 and MvC2 are any indication (and they are) there will be no rebalancing done (sadly).
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#3JustThrowMoneyPosted 7/9/2012 2:11:20 AM
^ MvC2 was understandable. That game is more balanced then most people realize, anyway. 3S, I will never understand T_T
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#4NoizyChildPosted 7/9/2012 9:59:31 AM
And you'll still whine and complain when you lose, just like every other game you touch.
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#5RabitePosted 7/9/2012 10:21:14 AM(edited)
"^ MvC2 was understandable. That game is more balanced then most people realize, anyway. 3S, I will never understand T_T"

Being generous MvC2 has about 18-20 viable characters for "high level" play. Maybe 10 more that might get fringe use. This is out of 50+ characters. This is not balanced.

As far as SF3 goes, it's easy to understand. Back in the arcade days there was an updated version of SF3:3S released that fixed some bugs and unblockables. It was completely despised by the FGC because they wanted the bugs and unblockables left in. Similar to why SFZ3U never became popular. This continued to when development of the PSN/XBLA version was in progress. After HDR was released (to much better sales than most of the FGC seems to realize) most supporters of SF3 said they wouldn't buy it if they changed the balance issues. Capcom wasn't willing to lose potential sales for a better experience for everybody and here we are.

EDIT: The above also happened with MvC2 now that I think about it.
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#6JustThrowMoneyPosted 7/10/2012 12:11:40 PM
^ In 3S, Chun-Li and Yun are the only characters that stand a chance at the highest level.

In MvC2, the number of competitive teams that you can make from those few playable characters is very large. You end up having many more competitive teams in MvC2 then you do competitive characters in a 1v1 fighter.
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#7RabitePosted 7/10/2012 8:10:34 PM
"^ In 3S, Chun-Li and Yun are the only characters that stand a chance at the highest level."

And Dudley. And Ken. And Ryu. And Akuma. And Makoto. And Yang. And Alex. And Urien. Even Hugo and Q are starting to get some following in Japanese tournaments. Which brings the total count to 12 viable characters out of 19. Even if you exclude Hugo and Q due to having higher hurdles to jump than the rest, it's still over half the cast that is not just viable but common in Japanese tournaments.

"In MvC2, the number of competitive teams that you can make from those few playable characters is very large. You end up having many more competitive teams in MvC2 then you do competitive characters in a 1v1 fighter."

Viable beyond being assists: Blackheart, Cable, Cyclops, Iron Man, Magneto, Psylocke, Sentinel, Storm, Strider
Maybe in above: Dhalsim, Doom, War Machine (don't recall which one is better), Spiral (at one point was VERY dangerous), Cammy

Viable mostly as an assist: Juggernaut, Akuma (?), Captain Commando, Ken (Golden Nismor did show him being dangerous as point though), Ryu (?)

Not viable: Cap Am, Colossus, Gambit, Hulk, Iceman, Marrow, Omega Red, Rogue, Sabertooth, Shuma, Silver Samurai, Spiderman, Thanos, Venom, Wolverine, B.C. Wolverine, Amingo, Anakaris, BB Hood, Charlie, Chun-li, Dan, Felicia, Guile, Hayato, Jill, Jin, Bison, Mega Man, Morrigan, Roll, Ruby Heart, Sakura, Servbot, Tron, Zangief

19 viable characters out of 56, and that's if we include people that are basically free if they are the last character. This is NOT a good look. This is NOT a balanced game. If a game has to rely on whether or not it's top tiers can play well with each other but has to for the most part ignore over half the cast, that's not balanced. The percentage of viable teams in MvC2 is lower than the percentage of viable characters in SF3.
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#8NoizyChildPosted 7/10/2012 10:56:34 PM
From: Rabite | Posted: 7/10/2012 11:10:34 PM | #007
"^ In 3S, Chun-Li and Yun are the only characters that stand a chance at the highest level."

And Dudley. And Ken. And Ryu. And Akuma. And Makoto. And Yang. And Alex. And Urien. Even Hugo and Q are starting to get some following in Japanese tournaments. Which brings the total count to 12 viable characters out of 19. Even if you exclude Hugo and Q due to having higher hurdles to jump than the rest, it's still over half the cast that is not just viable but common in Japanese tournaments.

Nah dude, that's mostly Japanese 3S. In America, it's CKY all the way, with Dudley and Akuma close behind.

Viable beyond being assists: Blackheart, Cable, Cyclops, Iron Man, Magneto, Psylocke, Sentinel, Storm, Strider
Maybe in above: Dhalsim, Doom, War Machine (don't recall which one is better), Spiral (at one point was VERY dangerous), Cammy

You forgot Anakaris. He's pretty close to high tier.

War Machine and Iron Man are around the same level, with IM being literally one spot higher than WM.

Also, Psylocke is pretty much assist tier.

Viable mostly as an assist: Juggernaut, Akuma (?), Captain Commando, Ken (Golden Nismor did show him being dangerous as point though), Ryu (?)

Hell no. Only one you got right out of these was CapCom. The rest are worthless.

You forgot Tron as an assist as well. That Projectile assist HURTS.

Not viable: Cap Am, Colossus, Gambit, Hulk, Iceman, Marrow, Omega Red, Rogue, Sabertooth, Shuma, Silver Samurai, Spiderman, Thanos, Venom, Wolverine, B.C. Wolverine, Amingo, Anakaris, BB Hood, Charlie, Chun-li, Dan, Felicia, Guile, Hayato, Jill, Jin, Bison, Mega Man, Morrigan, Roll, Ruby Heart, Sakura, Servbot, Tron, Zangief

While some high-level players have stood out by doing well with these characters (VDO used Rogue/Ken/Colossus, while Joe Zaza used Gambit/Wolvie/Bone Claw), you're pretty much right in this regard.
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#9RabitePosted 7/10/2012 11:19:11 PM
"Nah dude, that's mostly Japanese 3S. In America, it's CKY all the way, with Dudley and Akuma close behind."

Yeah I was going to mention the difference between US and JP character usage in SF3:3S, but I lost interest. US tourneys rely too much on tier lists instead of character preference.

"You forgot Anakaris. He's pretty close to high tier."

Didn't even know he was. Haven't really paid much attention to Marvel 2 in ages.

"War Machine and Iron Man are around the same level, with IM being literally one spot higher than WM.

Also, Psylocke is pretty much assist tier."

She was decent back in the day, but yeah mostly as an assist. I should have put her in that category instead.

"Hell no. Only one you got right out of these was CapCom. The rest are worthless.

You forgot Tron as an assist as well. That Projectile assist HURTS."

Juggernaut is good as an assist when you glitch him up and randomly call him in. Cap Com rocks as an assist but is free when he's the only one in. Didn't know Tron was being used now. Akuma/Ken/Ryu I was only guessing on simply for either the Tatsu assist or the Shoryuken assist.

However this lowers my numbers even more.

"While some high-level players have stood out by doing well with these characters (VDO used Rogue/Ken/Colossus, while Joe Zaza used Gambit/Wolvie/Bone Claw), you're pretty much right in this regard."

Golden Nismor had a really interesting team back in the day using Doom/Ken/? I forget who the third character was. He apparently challenged and beat Duc Do with his team. It was the start of Hawaii being known for having a pretty good local scene.
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#10hyperskate65Posted 7/11/2012 12:12:19 PM
From: HeroicSomaCruz | #001
-No tag-teaming means no DHC's and infinites


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, did you ever play this game?
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