Honestly, I fear this will go the way of SWTOR. Seriously.

#1FF14_BABEYYPosted 7/17/2013 9:24:12 AM
Guys, I know this has been brought up a thousand times, but we can't look at this as blinded fanboys. The fact that this game does not push you towards playing with other people is a BIG PROBLEM.

There is going to be maybe 50% or less of the community who is going to make a solid effort to socialize, chat, / work together with other players in this game, but the fact that it is so friendly means that the other half will, for the most part, be hermits.

The Duty Finder, and yes, it's been discussed, is also going to diminish the community in the game. Yeah guys, shouting around for a party on your server is boring, but it's a necessary evil to bring people together in your server.

Without tight knit communities on each server, what is going to be the drive for each individual player to continue playing? Granted, I may be taking this to the extreme with my argument, but really, have any of you guys seen that WoW documentary? They followed a couple high ranking guilds, and all of the players said they would not stick around if it weren't for the people.
#2_Shikoba_Posted 7/17/2013 9:29:23 AM
Let's wait for release before we doom and gloom everything. A lot of people seem to be enjoying the beta and I have had a lot of fun with people on my server in ways outside of dungeons. Leviathan had a naked dancing party before phase 3 ended. I had a lot of fun running around on my chocobo with 20-30 other people on chocobos racing from fate to fate for seals.

There are ways to be social if you actually try.
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#3Arlundar2Posted 7/17/2013 9:30:18 AM
swtor didnt have duty finder and it was a pain to find group and the ppl didnt socialise more
#4twinklovePosted 7/17/2013 9:34:18 AM
Alot of potential subs will decide when they try out open beta , by then we will have a more clear picture on whether this game will sink or swim.
#5JoygasmXIVPosted 7/17/2013 9:50:40 AM
I hope it weeds out unpersonable people with boredom.

It's going to do better than XI for the first 3 years me think, but beyond that is up to SE.

I agree that they should've let 3 months or so go by before adding duty finder. Maybe even 30 days.
#6xenosaga123Posted 7/17/2013 9:52:40 AM
this almost sounds like a troll topic. It's stupid to compare this to TOR, because

1. Bioware has zero experience with mmorpgs
2. Bioware doesn't have as much money, experience and talented employees as SE does.
3. Bioware's approach to developing mmorpg is foolish and lopsided
4. Bioware's only strengths are in storytelling and their single player rpgs.
5. Bioware doesn't have a genius like Yoshida guiding the project
6. Star Wars is a very generic universe which leads to very boring classes, unless you pick Jedi/Sith,
you are lame. Star Wars revolves around Force users, and anything outside of that is tame in comparison.
7. sci fi <<<<< medieval/fantasy
8. Bioware has no concept of appealing designs, and TOR's graphics and lightsaber effects are lame too even by KOTOR standards.
9. Bioware has no concept of providing a horizontal selection of content for soloers and party fans.
10. Bioware has no taste in interface design and ways of bringing players more together.
11. Bioware has no taste in designing an atmosphere that makes it feel more than an mmorpg.
12. TOR is a bad example to compare to ARR. ARR LEARNS from the mistakes other mmorpg developers make,
TOR trips on its own lessons and solutions.
13. mmorpg gameplay balances don't do lightsabers justice. Without being instant kill/cut like Jedi Knight games, they are nothing more than baseball bats.
14. quit trolling and hating and being gloomy about things.
#7Jiga35Posted 7/17/2013 9:56:11 AM
FF14_BABEYY posted...
Guys, I know this has been brought up a thousand times, but we can't look at this as blinded fanboys. The fact that this game does not push you towards playing with other people is a BIG PROBLEM.

There is going to be maybe 50% or less of the community who is going to make a solid effort to socialize, chat, / work together with other players in this game, but the fact that it is so friendly means that the other half will, for the most part, be hermits.

The Duty Finder, and yes, it's been discussed, is also going to diminish the community in the game. Yeah guys, shouting around for a party on your server is boring, but it's a necessary evil to bring people together in your server.

Without tight knit communities on each server, what is going to be the drive for each individual player to continue playing? Granted, I may be taking this to the extreme with my argument, but really, have any of you guys seen that WoW documentary? They followed a couple high ranking guilds, and all of the players said they would not stick around if it weren't for the people.


I made plenty of friends on my server despite using the duty finder as often as I could.

If you need something to force you to be social, then I suppose you are not exactly social. That isn't the fault of any game.

Furthermore, what makes MMOs and other social games fail, in my opinion, is the constant jitters of forum types wondering if it's going to fail , ok here's how it's going to fail, look it's failing, oh there see it failed, I was right.

Cut it out.

you are your own self fulfilling prophecy.
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#8WRRYYYYersPosted 7/17/2013 10:00:45 AM
The Japanese people will keep this game afloat no matter how mediocre. Don't worry.
#9OuderkirkjPosted 7/17/2013 10:01:20 AM
I'm not going to lie. I actually hope that the game tanks a little bit after launch. Not enough to make it fall into a pit of despair, but enough to make Yoshida rethink some of his design decisions going forward.
#10rvsoldierPosted 7/17/2013 10:06:16 AM
xenosaga123 posted...
this almost sounds like a troll topic. It's stupid to compare this to TOR, because

1. Bioware has zero experience with mmorpgs
2. Bioware doesn't have as much money, experience and talented employees as SE does.
3. Bioware's approach to developing mmorpg is foolish and lopsided
4. Bioware's only strengths are in storytelling and their single player rpgs.
5. Bioware doesn't have a genius like Yoshida guiding the project
6. Star Wars is a very generic universe which leads to very boring classes, unless you pick Jedi/Sith,
you are lame. Star Wars revolves around Force users, and anything outside of that is tame in comparison.
7. sci fi <<<<< medieval/fantasy
8. Bioware has no concept of appealing designs, and TOR's graphics and lightsaber effects are lame too even by KOTOR standards.
9. Bioware has no concept of providing a horizontal selection of content for soloers and party fans.
10. Bioware has no taste in interface design and ways of bringing players more together.
11. Bioware has no taste in designing an atmosphere that makes it feel more than an mmorpg.
12. TOR is a bad example to compare to ARR. ARR LEARNS from the mistakes other mmorpg developers make,
TOR trips on its own lessons and solutions.
13. mmorpg gameplay balances don't do lightsabers justice. Without being instant kill/cut like Jedi Knight games, they are nothing more than baseball bats.
14. quit trolling and hating and being gloomy about things.



15. Bioware didn't mess a game up so badly they literally had to remake it from the ground up and relaunch it at a reduced price; while also losing their company tons of money and holding up many of their projects.

At least FF14 is pretty fun now.