I'm lvl31 with my warrior and I'm trying to learn tanking but it's a no go

#11paradisegamerPosted 8/23/2014 6:40:05 AM
Shadygrove is right. Don't use macros for your attack skills. Your macros round to 3, causing significant loss in overall enmity generation and DPS. A half second loss adds up significantly.

Definitely take fracture out of the main rotation. It's a situational skill and should only be used on high HP bosses. But I've noticed it being almost entirely unnecessary. You should always open groups of three with a tomahawk, then a flash, then overpower, followed by a combo and then an overpower. I then tend to alternate combo and overpower until I'm sure the mobs have my entire attention, and then I can afford to combo the rest of the fights. Once I started running Stone Vigil, my TP was down at zero after most fights because you really need that 4x enmity boost from overpower to hold even trash. WHM will be slamming you with heals at that point for 900HP a pop, making that dungeon a real tank skill check. I've ran it three times now for good measure and I get better every time.

Don't underestimate your support skills. Proper usage can really help a WHM spare a heal or two off you for others in the group. Provoke isn't anywhere near as useful as people claim. It needs to be used properly in order to achieve maximum effect otherwise it's a waste.

Trash during boss fights has typically been dealt with by DPS classes. But know you should have plenty of aggro on the boss to run and grab a few of them without issue. This is more of a preference of the group. Overpower should grab all the trash quick and keep them on you pretty well.

If any of this seems wrong to more experienced tanks, let me know. I'm also learning the job and have just hit 50. But I've started to notice that a WAR should have 0 TP left if they're doing their job right. A bard is extremely useful in helping this issue along with their TP song.
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#12White Wolf Kiba(Topic Creator)Posted 8/23/2014 6:50:51 AM
Man it's like an entirely different game
on one hand I like this on the other I'm not sure I'm cut out for it, I think from this topic alone in the duties I did in the meantime I see improvement in myself quite a lot but I'm sure once I try running the more serious big instances it'll be hard especially since I'm legally blind and can't see everything on-screen well and on time :)

But things are starting to clear up so much thanks to all the advice y'all gave me, keep posting if there's anything more to be said

thanks guys
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#13paradisegamerPosted 8/23/2014 6:53:18 AM
Your username didn't even register for me. Bro if you can do WHM, you can tank. It's actually a lot easier than it initially seems. Can you party up with your FC or something for practice?
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#14paradisegamerPosted 8/23/2014 6:55:47 AM
Ah you were a summoner not a WHM, misread. Still... It would seem you should still have no issue.
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#15White Wolf Kiba(Topic Creator)Posted 8/23/2014 7:03:33 AM
I explained this in another topic, my biggest issue with big roles like this is the fact that I'm legally blind..around 90% at that :)
Sure I'm an illustrator for children's books and do graphics design for a living
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but when it comes to seeing everything on-screen and reacting on time it can get hard, especially if I have to deal with small or hard to read messages that pop up in short periods of time like the one in that one desert temple's final boss or mobs that come from outside my field of vision I can't see and such.

As a summoner it was mostly keep dots up and do your best to do as much DPS as possible, as a tank I need to be aware of a hell of a lot more.

We'll see how things go
I keep to myself in MMOs, no guilds, no FC, I don't want to associate with people much online but I am very friendly and talkative with people in-game, I just keep away from any and all communities.
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#16paradisegamerPosted 8/23/2014 7:10:47 AM
Well, you and I share two common communities, so I know that last part isn't entirely true. :-P

I remember you posting that you had issues with one end game boss on the place that doesn't exist because of not being able to see his battle message. Forget which one. Try asking your PT to give you some space while tanking. There isn't any reason for anybody other than DPS to be in the mix with the mobs. That should help you see when you start to lose aggro and also get a better view of the background for adds that spawn during the boss.

Definitely watch more videos too. The mobs almost always spawn in the same places during boss fights. If you could memorize them it might make it easier. And if we were on the same server I'd love to party up and help some time, but I'm pretty sure we're not. But don't be too reclusive. Some tanks are really awesome and have helped me immensely while leveling their alt classes.
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#17White Wolf Kiba(Topic Creator)Posted 8/23/2014 7:13:21 AM
I meant in-game communities man
I post here on NGG and LUElinks a lot but that's about it
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#18paradisegamerPosted 8/23/2014 7:21:52 AM
Well, good luck tanking, but if you find it too difficult, don't torture yourself. If anything, though, it should give you some perspective on the class and what other players have to deal with while playing it. I've found a lot of arrogance toward other classes and then see these people have never done anything other than their main, but want to criticize other players trying their best. Putting yourself in their shoes is almost as important as learning to play your main well.
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#19White Wolf Kiba(Topic Creator)Posted 8/23/2014 7:30:14 AM
Thanks
I'm always polite to people in-game, I understand how hard it is to play a big role like a healer or a tank in some situations so I'm polite and nice to them.
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#20Vampyre_GhostPosted 8/23/2014 9:10:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone suggested this, but one of the man things that I do that makes holding multiple targets easier is spreading out your enmity combo. With a controller, you use the D-pad to sub target an enemy and do a skill, then you default back to whatever target has the arrow. Doing this allows for easy breaking up of your main combo to tag all enemies every other rotation. (assuming you aren't doing massive speed run pulls) Your main purpose is to hold agro not dps, a good opener would be tomahawk, OP ,berserk, maim combo (with bloodbath in between the hits) OP, then start butchers block rotation while hitting multiple targets with enmity hits. If you have flash, throw it in there too, isn't fantastic but it basically a decent AoE enmity generator without using TP.

This is how I think of it, at least for the most part... I am there to keep mobs hitting me, if I have to completely blow out my TP every fight in order to do so, that's what I am going to do (if I actually HAVE to blow out my TP to keep hate, there is likely a dps problem... and I main dps, so it isn't "role bashing". Unfortunately, a lot of dps don't understand the enmity system well enough, and start attacking first and go full out, and expect you to be able to get the mob back instantly (which is where provoke comes in) Except they never let up after a provoke, which instantly puts them first again, and they stand there and yell at you like it is your fault they can't target the right mob or control their own threat. If this is what makes you think you aren't doing all that well, it is mostly dps that think enmity control is your job and yours alone. I am a pretty good tank and even I lose the odd trash mob for whatever reason, what makes you good/bad is how you react to that, and same goes for the dps. If you try and get it back at least, you are a good tank, but a lot of DPS don't let you get it back (I am speaking of course of large gear differences, if you are on par with the dps, you shouldn't have trouble holding mobs)