Kojima's interview....what did it reveal???

#1tonicPosted 2/20/2014 7:55:15 PM
Check it out here:

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/02/17/hideo-kojima-reveals-new-details-on-the-phantom-pain.aspx

The interviewer asked an important question. He basically said that the Patriots should have been fully formed by this time and asked how Kojima was going to display the coming together. He queried whether Kojima was going to use flashbacks to do this.

Kojima's response is interesting. He basically says he can't disclose this yet but then he says what he can say is that there is Skullface and there is Zero and their relationship will be displayed. So in the context of the coming together of the Patriots Kojima singles out two characters Zero and Skullface. Interesting indeed given the infamous video call detailing the formation of the patriots below(5 Minutes 24 secs in):

http://youtu.be/J-x4uj3P7Q4

"...So that we can become the Patriots".

When EVA details the history of the Patriots in her MGS4 monologue did she mention Skullface's part in it? It would seem she made no mention of him. Wouldn't that be a significant ommission given that Kojima's words suggest that Skullface's relationship with Zero has significance to the formation of the Patriots. When asked about the formation of the Patriots Kojima bring up those two names... Zero and Skullface.

Skullface a ghost without a past. Hmm...who is this guy? Why is he and his X.O.F group at Camp Omega. Kojima's answer to this may even be more revealing.

"Skullface and his group are there to do the TURTURES and whatnot".

Not saying my idea has to be right. Just saying it's worthy of discussion.
#2Robin_MaskPosted 2/20/2014 8:00:01 PM
tonic posted...
"...So that we can become the Patriots".

When EVA details the history of the Patriots in her MGS4 monologue did she mention Skullface's part in it? It would seem she made no mention of him. Wouldn't that be a significant ommission given that Kojima's words suggest that Skullface's relationship with Zero has significance to the formation of the Patriots. When asked about the formation of the Patriots Kojima bring up those two names... Zero and Skullface.

Skullface a ghost without a past. Hmm...who is this guy? Why is he and his X.O.F group at Camp Omega. Kojima's answer to this may even be more revealing.

"Skullface and his group are there to do the TURTURES and whatnot".

Not saying my idea has to be right. Just saying it's worthy of discussion.


At this point, Kojima didn't even have Skull Face in mind, we were all stuck with a rushed finale.

If anything, he has to remake MGS4, unless EVA just thought that she won't appear in MGSV either and tells Snake everything from what she only knows personally.

Besides, it's like asking, "does Liquid know who Volgin was?" at this point.
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#3tonic(Topic Creator)Posted 2/20/2014 8:14:46 PM
Robin_Mask posted...
At this point, Kojima didn't even have Skull Face in mind, we were all stuck with a rushed finale.


The thing is Kojima would not need to have had Skullface in mind in MGS4. Upon building MGS5 he would simply have to build Skullface's character around an already existing character. There would be little things he would leave as evidence though so that when the characters true identity is revealed we all will say, "Ohhh so that why blah blah blah.
#4Robin_MaskPosted 2/20/2014 8:37:49 PM
tonic posted...
Robin_Mask posted...
At this point, Kojima didn't even have Skull Face in mind, we were all stuck with a rushed finale.


The thing is Kojima would not need to have had Skullface in mind in MGS4. Upon building MGS5 he would simply have to build Skullface's character around an already existing character. There would be little things he would leave as evidence though so that when the characters true identity is revealed we all will say, "Ohhh so that why blah blah blah.


No, he never thought of him, thus, didn't exist until recently. PW and MGSV are more of a "WELL, what REALLY happened was THIS cause it didn't get mentioned and uh THIS is what REALLY happened... just that uh EVA forgot to mention him."

Same goes for Star Wars, how come Obi-Wan didn't tell Luke about the Emperor, Qui-Gon and Dooku in A New Hope?
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#5SterlingFoxPosted 2/21/2014 12:26:37 AM
So in this topic, we have Tonic trying to say that Skullface is Ocelot. Again.

Except no. He brought up Skullface because of the last question. They asked what was the deal with XOF, then what was going to happen with The Patriots. So Kojima was addressing both questions, not just the one about the Patriots, when he brought up Skullface and Zero. Assuring them that they'd learn both with the game. He made a point to clarify that he was trying not to spoil things while answering the interviewers questions, indicating that he was talking about everything he'd asked in general.
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#6wh0_kn0wsPosted 2/21/2014 9:07:13 AM
so much for the patriots being white house primordial soup
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#7eric_otnessPosted 2/21/2014 9:58:36 AM
Robin_Mask posted...
tonic posted...
Robin_Mask posted...
At this point, Kojima didn't even have Skull Face in mind, we were all stuck with a rushed finale.


The thing is Kojima would not need to have had Skullface in mind in MGS4. Upon building MGS5 he would simply have to build Skullface's character around an already existing character. There would be little things he would leave as evidence though so that when the characters true identity is revealed we all will say, "Ohhh so that why blah blah blah.


No, he never thought of him, thus, didn't exist until recently. PW and MGSV are more of a "WELL, what REALLY happened was THIS cause it didn't get mentioned and uh THIS is what REALLY happened... just that uh EVA forgot to mention him."

Same goes for Star Wars, how come Obi-Wan didn't tell Luke about the Emperor, Qui-Gon and Dooku in A New Hope?


I don't think Obi-Wan needed to inform Luke about the Emperor since that guy was already pretty well known (the Emperor was already mentioned in A New Hope, anyways). Same with Dooku, as he was pretty much the enemy of the Republic, the #1 Bad Guy during the Clone Wars. You do have a point regarding Qui-Gon, though.
#8James_4ortPosted 2/21/2014 12:37:44 PM
V has come to.
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#9tonic(Topic Creator)Posted 2/22/2014 9:37:26 AM
SterlingFox posted...
So in this topic, we have Tonic trying to say that Skullface is Ocelot. Again.

Simply providing supporting evidence for the idea. I'm not claiming to know that Skullface is definitely Ocelot

SterlingFox posted...
Except no. He brought up Skullface because of the last question. They asked what was the deal with XOF, then what was going to happen with The Patriots. So Kojima was addressing both questions, not just the one about the Patriots, when he brought up Skullface and Zero.
Disagree with you here. He had already addressed why Skullface is at Camp Omega. That was already settled. His answer about Skullface and Zero's relationship was definitely in the context of the interviewer's question regarding the Patriots. Doesn't have to mean that Skullface was a part of the Patriots but it is interesting that Kojima decides to mention that relationship in that context.

SterlingFox posted...
Assuring them that they'd learn both with the game. He made a point to clarify that he was trying not to spoil things while answering the interviewers questions, indicating that he was talking about everything he'd asked in general.
Actually he mentions that he can't discuss the formation of the Patriots yet but then says..."I guess the only part..thing I can say is that that there is Skullface and there is Zero. Their relationship will be portrayed. His answer is definitely in the context of the formation of the Patriots question.
#10SterlingFoxPosted 2/22/2014 1:15:46 PM
tonic posted...
SterlingFox posted...
So in this topic, we have Tonic trying to say that Skullface is Ocelot. Again.

Simply providing supporting evidence for the idea. I'm not claiming to know that Skullface is definitely Ocelot

SterlingFox posted...
Except no. He brought up Skullface because of the last question. They asked what was the deal with XOF, then what was going to happen with The Patriots. So Kojima was addressing both questions, not just the one about the Patriots, when he brought up Skullface and Zero.
Disagree with you here. He had already addressed why Skullface is at Camp Omega. That was already settled. His answer about Skullface and Zero's relationship was definitely in the context of the interviewer's question regarding the Patriots. Doesn't have to mean that Skullface was a part of the Patriots but it is interesting that Kojima decides to mention that relationship in that context.

SterlingFox posted...
Assuring them that they'd learn both with the game. He made a point to clarify that he was trying not to spoil things while answering the interviewers questions, indicating that he was talking about everything he'd asked in general.
Actually he mentions that he can't discuss the formation of the Patriots yet but then says..."I guess the only part..thing I can say is that that there is Skullface and there is Zero. Their relationship will be portrayed. His answer is definitely in the context of the formation of the Patriots question.


Evidence? No. Evidence is something that supports one thing. Even if we look at it your way, then this is something that supports multiple different possibilities. Meaning that it supports your idea just as much as it opposes it. Meaning its null, and not evidence for your Ocelot x Skullface idea.

There's nothing to disagree with. That's how normal conversations and interviews are carried out. Its how people talk. The interviewer asked him a question about Skullface, then asked him a question about Zero. So Kojima answered with a response that included both Skullface and Zero, thus elaborating on the answer to his last question while simultaneously answering the current question. That's the context this was in.

The interviewer wasn't punching questions into a computer, he was conversing with a human being. Humans don't just totally ignore the previous questions they've been asked in an interview, they often go back to them and use them to elaborate on later ones as things cross their mind. Its called conversing. Its not just an A to Z thing.
If you've never encountered this extremely common phenomenon before, then go outside and talk to some people and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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