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#461FireMage7777Posted 11/13/2012 9:45:47 AM
theofficefan99 posted...
roxas9001 posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
They fell right into Barthandelus' plans and they were going to be completely screwed without Fang, Vanille and Etro.

And even then, Fang and Vanille's plan was a total asspull and there was zero foreshadowing on how Ragnarok works.


_______________________The Different Types of Miracles

Within the story, miracles are divided into two major categories:

1) The miracles produced (manufactured) by Barthandelus
2) The miracles which happen because of Etro

Number 2 is further divided into 2 subcategoried:

A) The ones which happen due to the pure power of Etro
B) The ones which happen due to the l'Cie mixing their
willpower with Etro's power.

Taken from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/928790-final-fantasy-xiii/faqs/63575
Vanille and Fang's reversion during the War of Transgression is an example of
A. Lightning and co. reverting from Cie'th status back to human is an example
of B. Vanille and Fang using Ragnarok's power, which should have invited
ruination, to save the people of Cocoon is also an example of B. In other
words, the ending events did not simply happen at the whim of the goddess
Etro. The party placed all of their power into saving Cocoon so Etro lent them
some power and a miracle happened.


Taken from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/928790-final-fantasy-xiii/faqs/63575


Which is exactly why the finale is ****. Thank you. "Willpower" is something that should NEVER solve conflicts in ANY game. lol "mixing" with Etro's power... give me a break. Absolutely terrible writing. A cop-out mixed with a Deus Ex Machina. Wonderful writing.

And them attacking Cocoon 500 years ago is not foreshadowing. There was zero foreshadowing that Ragnarok could be used for good and that it could be controlled.


*cough They changed their Focus cough*
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#462roxas9001Posted 11/13/2012 9:53:23 AM
FireMage7777 posted...
*cough They changed their Focus cough*


B-but there's no foreshadowing :(
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#463FireMage7777Posted 11/13/2012 9:55:40 AM
roxas9001 posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
*cough They changed their Focus cough*


B-but there's no foreshadowing :(


Serah, the game flat out says she did
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#464roxas9001Posted 11/13/2012 9:58:11 AM
FireMage7777 posted...
roxas9001 posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
*cough They changed their Focus cough*


B-but there's no foreshadowing :(


Serah, the game flat out says she did


Im saying what he'd claim
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#465mahroflcopterPosted 11/13/2012 10:09:08 AM
theofficefan99 posted...
roxas9001 posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
They fell right into Barthandelus' plans and they were going to be completely screwed without Fang, Vanille and Etro.

And even then, Fang and Vanille's plan was a total asspull and there was zero foreshadowing on how Ragnarok works.


_______________________The Different Types of Miracles

Within the story, miracles are divided into two major categories:

1) The miracles produced (manufactured) by Barthandelus
2) The miracles which happen because of Etro

Number 2 is further divided into 2 subcategoried:

A) The ones which happen due to the pure power of Etro
B) The ones which happen due to the l'Cie mixing their
willpower with Etro's power.

Taken from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/928790-final-fantasy-xiii/faqs/63575
Vanille and Fang's reversion during the War of Transgression is an example of
A. Lightning and co. reverting from Cie'th status back to human is an example
of B. Vanille and Fang using Ragnarok's power, which should have invited
ruination, to save the people of Cocoon is also an example of B. In other
words, the ending events did not simply happen at the whim of the goddess
Etro. The party placed all of their power into saving Cocoon so Etro lent them
some power and a miracle happened.


Taken from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/928790-final-fantasy-xiii/faqs/63575


Which is exactly why the finale is ****. Thank you. "Willpower" is something that should NEVER solve conflicts in ANY game. lol "mixing" with Etro's power... give me a break. Absolutely terrible writing. A cop-out mixed with a Deus Ex Machina. Wonderful writing.

And them attacking Cocoon 500 years ago is not foreshadowing. There was zero foreshadowing that Ragnarok could be used for good and that it could be controlled.


Not only that... all of those theories are based heavily on optional datalogs, the Ultimania (never released outside Japan), the Mythology (never presented in game), and writing some things off as "a miracle", accepting that wishes change fate, ignoring what you are told in the cutscenes and in some cases the datalog, etc.

Also:

"The following guide is primarily meant to be a translation of the plot
information present in the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega. So far I have
chosen to exclude information that can be easily learned from reading the
datalog as there is already a guide for that and less of a need to explain
it."


Yup, justifying plot points by using a book that has never and will never see release outside of Japan (which ignores the fact that it all should have been in the narrative anyway). Totally legit.


*Ejects back out of thread*
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#466theofficefan99Posted 11/13/2012 4:07:32 PM
roxas9001 posted...
FireMage7777 posted...
*cough They changed their Focus cough*


B-but there's no foreshadowing :(


Explain to me how they changed their Focus? How is this possible?
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#467theofficefan99Posted 11/13/2012 4:08:36 PM
mahroflcopter posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
roxas9001 posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
They fell right into Barthandelus' plans and they were going to be completely screwed without Fang, Vanille and Etro.

And even then, Fang and Vanille's plan was a total asspull and there was zero foreshadowing on how Ragnarok works.


_______________________The Different Types of Miracles

Within the story, miracles are divided into two major categories:

1) The miracles produced (manufactured) by Barthandelus
2) The miracles which happen because of Etro

Number 2 is further divided into 2 subcategoried:

A) The ones which happen due to the pure power of Etro
B) The ones which happen due to the l'Cie mixing their
willpower with Etro's power.

Taken from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/928790-final-fantasy-xiii/faqs/63575
Vanille and Fang's reversion during the War of Transgression is an example of
A. Lightning and co. reverting from Cie'th status back to human is an example
of B. Vanille and Fang using Ragnarok's power, which should have invited
ruination, to save the people of Cocoon is also an example of B. In other
words, the ending events did not simply happen at the whim of the goddess
Etro. The party placed all of their power into saving Cocoon so Etro lent them
some power and a miracle happened.


Taken from this: http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/928790-final-fantasy-xiii/faqs/63575


Which is exactly why the finale is ****. Thank you. "Willpower" is something that should NEVER solve conflicts in ANY game. lol "mixing" with Etro's power... give me a break. Absolutely terrible writing. A cop-out mixed with a Deus Ex Machina. Wonderful writing.

And them attacking Cocoon 500 years ago is not foreshadowing. There was zero foreshadowing that Ragnarok could be used for good and that it could be controlled.


Not only that... all of those theories are based heavily on optional datalogs, the Ultimania (never released outside Japan), the Mythology (never presented in game), and writing some things off as "a miracle", accepting that wishes change fate, ignoring what you are told in the cutscenes and in some cases the datalog, etc.

Also:

"The following guide is primarily meant to be a translation of the plot
information present in the Final Fantasy XIII Ultimania Omega. So far I have
chosen to exclude information that can be easily learned from reading the
datalog as there is already a guide for that and less of a need to explain
it."


Yup, justifying plot points by using a book that has never and will never see release outside of Japan (which ignores the fact that it all should have been in the narrative anyway). Totally legit.


*Ejects back out of thread*


Thank you.
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#468DragoonGriffithPosted 11/13/2012 4:15:01 PM
I'm one of the few here probably who actually likes FFXIII's story, but even I can see that the ending was just ****.

There's nothing wrong with loving a story and admiting that the last part of the game, and the ending are bad IMO *I'm looking at you Vesperia*
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#469theofficefan99Posted 11/13/2012 4:29:01 PM
DragoonGriffith posted...
I'm one of the few here probably who actually likes FFXIII's story, but even I can see that the ending was just ****.

There's nothing wrong with loving a story and admiting that the last part of the game, and the ending are bad IMO *I'm looking at you Vesperia*


I like XIII's story, too, but I also will not blind myself into thinking that the story doesn't have its flaws.

And lol I agree with the Vesperia comment. Though Tarqaron was fun.
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#470TheGreatPotatoPosted 11/13/2012 4:48:34 PM
Vesperia was pretty good, for a beta test.

What is this willpower argument? Willpower is a Japanese battle deciding staple.
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