FF needs to die.

#261kupo1705Posted 1/28/2013 11:07:13 AM
kupo1705 posted...
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Oh come on.
#262arvilinoPosted 1/28/2013 11:16:48 AM
roham110 posted...

True but It is an important sub genre that has its own rules and style.

No I never claimed such a thing. I said the main challenge in them is thought and strategy but I'm not questioning real time action battle system.

well it's true again but more thought required in turned based or it should be. what I mean to say is in real time action you have the agile challenge as well but not such challenge is absent from turn based so in order to balance it they emphasize on thought and strategical challenge which can make it harder.

Nothing at all. I'm a fan all kind of RPG but it should be done right. the reason of Tales' success was action that required both thinking and agile in order to execute combos. but FF doesn't do this right. it tries to fake both. there is no thinking cuz it autobattles for you. but there is no action challenge as well.


Could you give some examples, Assuming no grinding could you list which mandatory boss battles required actual strategy?
#263drsw36Posted 1/28/2013 11:23:29 AM
TriangleHard posted...
Yes worse than Capcom.

At least Capcom is capable evil. They abuse fans, but makes money from it.

Square on the other hand is just stupid evil.

They can't even wipe their own arse let alone make money. Fans are dumping money on them and they STILL have financial problem.

I mean Enix already saved their @$$ once. C'mon!


Yes you're right they are in trouble...oh wait:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-enix-profits-nearly-triple-due-to-deus-ex-ffxiii-2-6349731
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#264DragoonGriffithPosted 1/28/2013 11:32:16 AM
FF doesn't need to die.

Wada and Toriyama just need to get fired or at least put in another position than director of a mainline FF.

I really hope someone else will direct FFXV.
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#265TriangleHardPosted 1/28/2013 11:34:28 AM
drsw36 posted...
TriangleHard posted...
Yes worse than Capcom.

At least Capcom is capable evil. They abuse fans, but makes money from it.

Square on the other hand is just stupid evil.

They can't even wipe their own arse let alone make money. Fans are dumping money on them and they STILL have financial problem.

I mean Enix already saved their @$$ once. C'mon!


Yes you're right they are in trouble...oh wait:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-enix-profits-nearly-triple-due-to-deus-ex-ffxiii-2-6349731


And... you forget the money they lost due to development in other games and their sales number

games like FFXIV, Sleeping Dogs, etc.
#266kupo1705Posted 1/28/2013 11:35:35 AM
drsw36 posted...
TriangleHard posted...
Yes worse than Capcom.

At least Capcom is capable evil. They abuse fans, but makes money from it.

Square on the other hand is just stupid evil.

They can't even wipe their own arse let alone make money. Fans are dumping money on them and they STILL have financial problem.

I mean Enix already saved their @$$ once. C'mon!


Yes you're right they are in trouble...oh wait:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-enix-profits-nearly-triple-due-to-deus-ex-ffxiii-2-6349731


February 3, 2012
#267roham110Posted 1/28/2013 11:45:40 AM
arvilino posted...
roham110 posted...

True but It is an important sub genre that has its own rules and style.

No I never claimed such a thing. I said the main challenge in them is thought and strategy but I'm not questioning real time action battle system.

well it's true again but more thought required in turned based or it should be. what I mean to say is in real time action you have the agile challenge as well but not such challenge is absent from turn based so in order to balance it they emphasize on thought and strategical challenge which can make it harder.

Nothing at all. I'm a fan all kind of RPG but it should be done right. the reason of Tales' success was action that required both thinking and agile in order to execute combos. but FF doesn't do this right. it tries to fake both. there is no thinking cuz it autobattles for you. but there is no action challenge as well.


Could you give some examples, Assuming no grinding could you list which mandatory boss battles required actual strategy?


many games such as Persona boss battles, some of FF older games, many of tactical rpg games such as luminous arc and the list goes on...
one specific boss battle is the zombie dragon in FFX that you fight in water.
most of Persona games require you to use the right persona not the just the strongest one and most of tactical rpg throw you in a boss battle that in terms of raw strength you will lose and need strategical thinking. I hope that was enough but if not I try to explain more.
#268drsw36Posted 1/28/2013 11:57:34 AM
kupo1705 posted...
drsw36 posted...
TriangleHard posted...
Yes worse than Capcom.

At least Capcom is capable evil. They abuse fans, but makes money from it.

Square on the other hand is just stupid evil.

They can't even wipe their own arse let alone make money. Fans are dumping money on them and they STILL have financial problem.

I mean Enix already saved their @$$ once. C'mon!


Yes you're right they are in trouble...oh wait:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-enix-profits-nearly-triple-due-to-deus-ex-ffxiii-2-6349731


February 3, 2012


And?
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#269gwoodtamuPosted 1/28/2013 12:16:38 PM(edited)
drsw36 posted...
kupo1705 posted...
drsw36 posted...
TriangleHard posted...
Yes worse than Capcom.

At least Capcom is capable evil. They abuse fans, but makes money from it.

Square on the other hand is just stupid evil.

They can't even wipe their own arse let alone make money. Fans are dumping money on them and they STILL have financial problem.

I mean Enix already saved their @$$ once. C'mon!


Yes you're right they are in trouble...oh wait:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-enix-profits-nearly-triple-due-to-deus-ex-ffxiii-2-6349731


February 3, 2012


And?


It means that regardless of yours, or anyone else's opinion, that the games they are creating are selling by the masses, the company is doing great, and the fans love the games they are producing.

The irrelevant whiners who are few and far between mean little, and the slightest hint of a new FF will have them opening their pocket book regardless if they are pleased with the titles coming out or not. Square Enix will get it's money.
#270TriangleHardPosted 1/28/2013 12:16:55 PM
gwoodtamu posted...
drsw36 posted...
kupo1705 posted...
drsw36 posted...
TriangleHard posted...
Yes worse than Capcom.

At least Capcom is capable evil. They abuse fans, but makes money from it.

Square on the other hand is just stupid evil.

They can't even wipe their own arse let alone make money. Fans are dumping money on them and they STILL have financial problem.

I mean Enix already saved their @$$ once. C'mon!


Yes you're right they are in trouble...oh wait:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/square-enix-profits-nearly-triple-due-to-deus-ex-ffxiii-2-6349731


February 3, 2012


And?


It means that regardless of yours, or anyone else's opinion, that the games they are creating are selling by the masses, the company is doing great, and the fans love the games they are producing.

The irrelevant whiners who are few and far between mean little, and the slightest hint of a new FF will have them opening their pocket book regardless if they are not pleased with the titles coming out or not. Square Enix will get it's money.


Been listening to Giantbomb's bombcast, and they always mention that Square is doing poor fiancially.

I think I'd trust their info over your opinion.