Final Fantasy series VS Tales series

#121theofficefan99Posted 2/3/2013 10:44:21 AM
DragoonGriffith posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
Even if they made another version of Vesperia that was 800%, I'd still hate it.


That's because you're a nostalgia-filled Symphonia fanboy. :P


I'm not in love with the Tales of series for me to have nostalgia towards a game. Symphonia was good. Vesperia isn't.

Well, at least to me.
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#122theofficefan99Posted 2/3/2013 10:47:37 AM
LLL_Deadly posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
Even if they made another version of Vesperia that was 800%, I'd still hate it.


says the person who praises Symphonia and Abyss...


Though my opinion on Abyss is actually worsening due to how much the game is overstaying its welcome, those games are pretty good. The storyline isn't as vapid and poorly-written as Vesperia, the characters are more interesting with less forced development, and the battles in S and A actually feel like the attacks have some weight to them, unlike Vesperia. And though S and A's soundtracks are mediocre, Vesperia's is even more so. S and A also have much better-looking anime cutscenes, and the mythology and world are much more intriguing and fleshed-out than Vesperia's.

I just don't get the love for Vesperia, especially with its disgustingly terrible story, but eh. The only thing I liked about it was the in-game visuals, Yuri and Repede.
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#123TiaelPosted 2/3/2013 10:51:55 AM
Eh, I like both, among other series.
Tales moreso than later FF titles.
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#124DragoonGriffithPosted 2/3/2013 10:54:04 AM
The only thing I think everyone would agree with you is Vesperia having the (arguably) weakest story of the three.

Character I can't see how they are worse than Symphonia's cast, and Abyss' cast is only better if you like ass-hats.

If you want to talk forced character development, then look no further than Abyss where Luke somehow ends up being worse near the end than he originally was (from a jerk, but amusing, to a emo with inferiority complex only to snap out of it finally).

Abyss does have the better villains though.

Basically, for me Vesperia is everything Symphonia is + much more.

Half of the cast in Symphonia is barely developed or have any big part in the story (hello Regal and Presea, not to mention the little ***** Genis).

...I still like them all, though.
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#125LLL_DeadlyPosted 2/3/2013 11:16:32 AM
theofficefan99 posted...
LLL_Deadly posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
Even if they made another version of Vesperia that was 800%, I'd still hate it.


says the person who praises Symphonia and Abyss...


Though my opinion on Abyss is actually worsening due to how much the game is overstaying its welcome, those games are pretty good. The storyline isn't as vapid and poorly-written as Vesperia, the characters are more interesting with less forced development, and the battles in S and A actually feel like the attacks have some weight to them, unlike Vesperia. And though S and A's soundtracks are mediocre, Vesperia's is even more so. S and A also have much better-looking anime cutscenes, and the mythology and world are much more intriguing and fleshed-out than Vesperia's.

I just don't get the love for Vesperia, especially with its disgustingly terrible story, but eh. The only thing I liked about it was the in-game visuals, Yuri and Repede.


Vesperia's story =/= poorly written. It's your typical JRPG fare, but the morals within the story are great. The whole part regarding Don Whitehorse's death and how his resolve effected the party (especially Karol) easily rivals the best parts of ToS and TotA's stories.

I don't see what you mean by the 'attacks having weight to them', because Yuri hits the hardest among all 3 of the protagonists. Destruction Field /topic

I'm in no place to bash someone else's music taste, but really? There's tons of good, memorable songs in Vesperia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLvOgzZF6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wahtkLPxOXA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvY8Qs6S24o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L8f4ZKAkEo

I disagree about the anime cutscenes. I personally found Vesperia's mythology and world just as interesting as Abyss' (with Symphonia being inferior to both). The Entelexeia, the guilds etc were all great (and btw, Vesperia's prequel movie helps to flesh out the world).

and lol, disgustingly terrible story. As if. It may not be a literary masterpiece, but to call Vesperia's story 'disgustingly terrible' is just a blunt lie, and there's no opinion card to go against that.
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#126Elice_CarolPosted 2/3/2013 11:53:09 AM
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I vaguely remember watching the Tokyo Mew Mew dub.

Apparently, living in Japan was awful for American kids, so "Japan" was dubbed "America."

And yes, they bowed down to each other, IIRC....


They actually officially stated that they'd be editing it so that the kids wouldn't know about its Japanese origins. What's with the racism there, 4Kids?
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#127buffy720Posted 2/3/2013 12:20:19 PM
theofficefan99 posted...
LLL_Deadly posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
Even if they made another version of Vesperia that was 800%, I'd still hate it.


says the person who praises Symphonia and Abyss...


Though my opinion on Abyss is actually worsening due to how much the game is overstaying its welcome, those games are pretty good. The storyline isn't as vapid and poorly-written as Vesperia, the characters are more interesting with less forced development, and the battles in S and A actually feel like the attacks have some weight to them, unlike Vesperia. And though S and A's soundtracks are mediocre, Vesperia's is even more so. S and A also have much better-looking anime cutscenes, and the mythology and world are much more intriguing and fleshed-out than Vesperia's.

I just don't get the love for Vesperia, especially with its disgustingly terrible story, but eh. The only thing I liked about it was the in-game visuals, Yuri and Repede.


I get the feeling Vesperia wronged you greatly somehow, though I can't understand how when it's no more than a simple video game. It's the only way your extreme hatred of it makes sense.

As for Abyss overstaying its welcome, are you serious? The game has two iterations, the PS2 and 3DS versions. How dare it be so bold? *rolls eyes*
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#128DragoonGriffithPosted 2/3/2013 12:22:30 PM
buffy720 posted...

As for Abyss overstaying its welcome, are you serious? The game has two iterations, the PS2 and 3DS versions. How dare it be so bold? *rolls eyes*


I think he's talking about the pacing of the game (backtracking and so on).
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#129theofficefan99Posted 2/3/2013 1:45:39 PM
@LLL_Deadly


Uh... yes it is. During Parts 1 and 2, the story isn't too terrible, but a lot of it is padding and the whole thing is poorly-paced, and the party often gets sidetracked. When the party gets sidetracked, whatever they're doing is coincidentally tied into the main plot. Then when the "main" villain is introduced, the story starts getting worse and worse because he has no development whatsoever, he's just evil to be evil with no real memorable personality or anything, really.

Then comes Part 3, the worst offender. Rita is magically able to control aer, fixing literally every problem. Oh, Raven can't live without blastia? Not a problem, because Rita fixed it! Estelle might have to die? Not a problem, because Rita fixed it! There's an imbalance in regards to aer? Not a problem, because Rita fixed it! etc. etc. removing all the tension that could have made the finale interesting. We then have our main villain, which is also very underdeveloped and is frankly random as all hell with a weak motivation. Part 3 was entirely unnecessary and it's a shining example of terrible writing.

There was nothing special about the Don Whitehorse event. It was typical shonen anime fair with no depth, and no quality writing in sight.

None of those are anything special. They're incredibly weak for Sakuraba, and they're just flat-out mediocre. Compare stuff like that with quality work such as these:

Chrono Cross- Time's Scar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46RY4PU8a8

Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean- Introductory Peak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfrpuI2Ld3g

Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean- Supreme Ruler of the Nine Heavens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RAjRCx-mKU

Final Fantasy VIII- Liberi Fatali
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjrt8CDsvX0

Final Fantasy IX- Eiko Falls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAw6INBNR28

Final Fantasy IX- Dagger's Rescue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBIsJ7laz5o

Final Fantasy Type-0- What Becomes of Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdkA7f-bTs

Final Fantasy Type-0- Time of the Foundation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5fYuv-Sxo

Final Fantasy Type-0- Peaceful Times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QniCDwdfAj0

Xenosaga Episode II- Fatal Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4hryHF3kTw

Drakengard II- Forbidden Prelude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkh-f-mVXoE

etc. etc. etc.

And there's really no comparison. Vesperia's soundtrack is insanely mediocre.

And you can't "disagree" about the anime cutscenes. The animation is much more choppy compared to the anime cutscenes in Symphonia, and the CG mixed in with some of them is worse than stuff found in PS1 titles.

The world isn't properly fleshed out. I have this problem with Abyss, too. There are so many instances where one of the party members "leave out" a detail about the mythology/world and they reveal it later on when it coincidentally helps them with what they're doing. It's just not very good writing. *shrugs*
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#130theofficefan99Posted 2/3/2013 1:48:50 PM
buffy720 posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
LLL_Deadly posted...
theofficefan99 posted...
Even if they made another version of Vesperia that was 800%, I'd still hate it.


says the person who praises Symphonia and Abyss...


Though my opinion on Abyss is actually worsening due to how much the game is overstaying its welcome, those games are pretty good. The storyline isn't as vapid and poorly-written as Vesperia, the characters are more interesting with less forced development, and the battles in S and A actually feel like the attacks have some weight to them, unlike Vesperia. And though S and A's soundtracks are mediocre, Vesperia's is even more so. S and A also have much better-looking anime cutscenes, and the mythology and world are much more intriguing and fleshed-out than Vesperia's.

I just don't get the love for Vesperia, especially with its disgustingly terrible story, but eh. The only thing I liked about it was the in-game visuals, Yuri and Repede.


I get the feeling Vesperia wronged you greatly somehow, though I can't understand how when it's no more than a simple video game. It's the only way your extreme hatred of it makes sense.

As for Abyss overstaying its welcome, are you serious? The game has two iterations, the PS2 and 3DS versions. How dare it be so bold? *rolls eyes*


Because it's praised by so many gamers and I was excited to play it and it was one of the most torturous gaming experiences for me in a while. It is the only game that has ever made me fall asleep, and I've fallen asleep playing it at least 5 times. Relewiese Hollow in particular made me fall asleep 3 times.

*rolls eyes* nice reading comprehension. By overstaying its welcome, I mean that it feels far too long. The story has too much padding in it and it feels like it's way too long. That's what I mean.
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