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Final Fantasy series VS Tales series

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shinigami_matt Posted 2/3/2013 3:27:43 PM	Vesperia's soundtrack was decent. Some really good tracks and everything else was nice ambient music. Nothing that was OMG SWEET JESUS amazing, but pretty nice. Also, the first third of the story was kinda meh. The characters were nice which kept me going. --- Go then, there are other worlds than these. - The Gunslinger
LLL_Deadly Posted 2/3/2013 3:35:42 PM (edited)	theofficefan99 posted... LLL_Deadly posted... I clearly just said it's a typical JRPG fare (with the final boss as the only exception). A typical JRPG fare DOES include a fair amount of sidetracking. Alexei is a bad villain, and I think everyone can agree on that. You fail to mention how well Part 1 opened up Part 2, and how Part 2 was actually pretty good. Yeager was a good villain, and nothing in the game gets more climatic than what happens at the end of Zaude. I disagree about the final villain, and I think he was a breath of fresh air compared to the typical villains we get in JRPGs. Yeah...you're obviously blinded by hate for one reason or another. The Don Whitehorse event DOES have depth, and that's one of the reasons it's my favorite part of the game. ...Are you kidding me? You're linking me to a bunch of games that are considered musical masterpieces. I would never compare Vesperia's music to the likes of Chrono Cross and FFIX, but the music certainly isn't mediocre. I can admit Sakuraba drops the ball with Tales, though. His work is usually amazing. I do feel the need to say this, though: Fury Sparks > Liberi Fatali I can disagree about the anime cutscenes. Symphonia's anime cutscenes were pretty bland, and the ToS OVA was far more pleasing. Vesperia's cutscenes, while nothing compared to Ufotable's Xillia animation, were actually enjoyable and there was enough of them throughout the game (Symphonia hardly had any). I never had this problem with Vesperia, and after watching ToV: The First Strike, the world was definitely fleshed out enough. Honestly though, has Vesperia burned down your house or something? Your hate for the game goes far beyond the game itself (as proven when you said Vesperia's CG is worse than PS1 titles lmao). I'm really interested in how the game hurt you so much. Part 2 was not good. The pacing was even worse and nothing interesting happened. It was all coincidence after coincidence after coincidence. No, it's not. It's typical shonen anime stuff. The major problem I had with it was that the whole scene felt anticlimactic. It was interesting that Yuri had to finish him off, but that was about it. There's nothing special about the writing in that scene. Yeah, exactly why Vesperia is mediocre. Its soundtrack is nothing special in any way. If you prefer a song consisting of generic guitar riffs over a wonderfully composed piece of music, then more power to you. Symphonia's anime cutscenes are well-drawn and wonderfully animated. Animations in Vesperia are choppy and some of the anime cutscenes are infused with some very ugly and dated CGI. Why are you even bringing an anime prequel into this? I'm talking about the game and the game alone. Because it was a torturous experience. Everything about it was terrible to me. I'm not even going to bother with anything here, and I'm going to skip to that final sentence. You praise Symphonia, yet Vesperia is a torturous experience to you. Riiiight...I don't even feel the need to argue any further. As I stated before, your hate goes beyond the game itself, so our argument is just pointless. --- Wind Waker is one of the greatest games ever made. Hoping the HD Remake does it justice.
kirusu Posted 2/3/2013 3:33:59 PM	TorgoForever posted... theofficefan99 posted... It is generic. There's nothing special nor impressive about its composition. Really? Not the crashing guitar riff that sets up the piece? The following verse that mixes a downright malevolent guitar to be backed by a hard-hitting brass to further increase tension? The light piano notes that contrast to the ongoing but now faded rhythm to suggest an odd calm mid-battle? The now tragic sounding clean guitar that almost completes this calm, only to be cut short by the synth drums? After which, the climax comes crashing down as a choir is now in a three way fight with the brass and synth guitar, until two of them ultimately undergo a supernova, upon which the remaining instrument puts a final transition before rebuilding the cycle? None of that is impressive? Then woo me with your best final boss theme. there are better final boss themes. megaman x8 had 2 great ones imo. megaman x5 had a great one. phantasia had a great final boss theme. symphonia is somewhat great though motoi sakuraba is too typical on that one. he used too many recycled themes. valkyrie profile had a good final boss theme. hell there are even theme songs that deserve to be final boss themes. oh yeah kof 2002 um had 4 good final boss themes. i would post them but eh. --- im not changing this sig until i see a cutscene with lightning on the toilet. hell it doesnt have to be a long one
LLL_Deadly Posted 2/3/2013 3:34:23 PM	Innerscope posted... LLL_Deadly posted... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLvOgzZF6E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wahtkLPxOXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvY8Qs6S24o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L8f4ZKAkEo . I prefer this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DZhqiUhVk I was just listing some songs off the top of my head, but yes, that song is great. Reminds me of that awesome scene where Flynn stops a massive war that's about to begin. --- Wind Waker is one of the greatest games ever made. Hoping the HD Remake does it justice.
DragoonGriffith Posted 2/3/2013 3:35:42 PM	Vesperia has a nice OST. It's nothing spectacular, but I never felt like it was bad or overly mediocre either (like Graces at times happens to be). Anyway, there's no use arguing about it. I disagree with Officefan and that's all there is to it. --- Waiting for: NNK, Tales of Xillia 2
theofficefan99 Posted 2/3/2013 3:39:20 PM (edited)	TorgoForever posted... theofficefan99 posted... It is generic. There's nothing special nor impressive about its composition. Really? Not the crashing guitar riff that sets up the piece? The following verse that mixes a downright malevolent guitar to be backed by a hard-hitting brass to further increase tension? The light piano notes that contrast to the ongoing but now faded rhythm to suggest an odd calm mid-battle? The now tragic sounding clean guitar that almost completes this calm, only to be cut short by the synth drums? After which, the climax comes crashing down as a choir is now in a three way fight with the brass and synth guitar, until two of them ultimately undergo a supernova, upon which the remaining instrument puts a final transition before rebuilding the cycle? None of that is impressive? Then woo me with your best final boss theme. Amazing description for something so simple and bland-- all it is, is generic guitar riffs mixed with rather crude-sounding female vocals and some soft piano playing at the end. Nothing special. Of course, I haven't played the game, so perhaps it's more "special" when playing the game itself, but alone, it's nothing special at all. I haven't played the game so I wouldn't know how it is during the boss battle itself. As someone who hasn't played the game, though, it feels like I'm listening to a regular battle theme that would be playing early on in the game, and not a final boss fight. Some of my favorite final boss themes: Lost Odyssey- Howl of the Departed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbsI9xFuo8 Valkyrie Profile 2- Unrestrained Struggle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-djv5YRrwAk Xenosaga Episode III- Promised Pain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSd-tqewDHY Final Fantasy XIII- Born Anew and Nascent Requiem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzFwo3K4OUk Final Fantasy VI- Dancing Mad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbXVNKtmWnc Final Fantasy IX- Grand Cross http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JWZIfR9JXo Those are some that come to mind. And, if you want me to show you songs from Xenosaga that I think are better than Fatal Fight: Kokoro http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYsQ0F76AOg Godsibb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n10VyIRJj58 Battle's End http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3x-GkZyQlQ Escape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw5eQ5FvPtI Communication Breakdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtAFd_5apg0 Presentiment #3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCIojLNruU Chase http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDPacnNHnn8 She's Coming Back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePQC6A0DAM4 The Miracle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPdtmK05kDI So many others, really. Fatal Fight is a great song but there's lots of better ones, too. --- "Dyin' is easy. It's the livin' that's hard..." Grim Reaper, Maximo vs. The Army of Zin
buffy720 Posted 2/3/2013 3:36:38 PM	theofficefan99 posted... buffy720 posted... theofficefan99 posted... LLL_Deadly posted... theofficefan99 posted... Even if they made another version of Vesperia that was 800%, I'd still hate it. says the person who praises Symphonia and Abyss... Though my opinion on Abyss is actually worsening due to how much the game is overstaying its welcome, those games are pretty good. The storyline isn't as vapid and poorly-written as Vesperia, the characters are more interesting with less forced development, and the battles in S and A actually feel like the attacks have some weight to them, unlike Vesperia. And though S and A's soundtracks are mediocre, Vesperia's is even more so. S and A also have much better-looking anime cutscenes, and the mythology and world are much more intriguing and fleshed-out than Vesperia's. I just don't get the love for Vesperia, especially with its disgustingly terrible story, but eh. The only thing I liked about it was the in-game visuals, Yuri and Repede. I get the feeling Vesperia wronged you greatly somehow, though I can't understand how when it's no more than a simple video game. It's the only way your extreme hatred of it makes sense. As for Abyss overstaying its welcome, are you serious? The game has two iterations, the PS2 and 3DS versions. How dare it be so bold? rolls eyes Because it's praised by so many gamers and I was excited to play it and it was one of the most torturous gaming experiences for me in a while. It is the only game that has ever made me fall asleep, and I've fallen asleep playing it at least 5 times. Relewiese Hollow in particular made me fall asleep 3 times. rolls eyes nice reading comprehension. By overstaying its welcome, I mean that it feels far too long. The story has too much padding in it and it feels like it's way too long. That's what I mean. I apologize for misunderstanding you. Now that I see what you mean, I completely agree with you. Abyss does indeed overstay its welcome a thousand times over. As for falling asleep during Vesperia, you're exaggerating and you well know it. Also, you never go into a game expecting it to be exactly what others say. When you do, you end up disappointed because you yourself have built it up just as much as they have. That's not Vesperia's fault. --- "You're right. I am a weapon. Every cell in my body is aching for a fight. They long to collide with their anti-existence." ~ Jr.
Innerscope Posted 2/3/2013 3:38:35 PM	theofficefan99 posted... Final Fantasy XIII- Born Anew and Nascent Requiem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzFwo3K4OUk Well, Korraganitar turned an epic song into nonsense... --- qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm Your new alphabet
kirusu Posted 2/3/2013 3:41:47 PM	Innerscope posted... theofficefan99 posted... Final Fantasy XIII- Born Anew and Nascent Requiem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzFwo3K4OUk Well, Korraganitar turned an epic song into nonsense... that strangely reminds me of dissidia. cant count how many songs were ruined in that game. --- im not changing this sig until i see a cutscene with lightning on the toilet. hell it doesnt have to be a long one
theofficefan99 Posted 2/3/2013 3:41:55 PM	Yes, it does. I'm not exaggerating at all, actually. I fell asleep multiple times while playing the game, and no, I was not sleep-deprived. I didn't come into Vesperia expecting the best game on Earth. I was expecting a good JRPG and I was disappointed on so many levels. The only thing I can say is solely my opinion is the battle system since there isn't anything too wrong with it. I just personally don't have fun controlling any of the characters. Perhaps the only bad thing about it is that it can be easily broken. --- "Dyin' is easy. It's the livin' that's hard..." Grim Reaper, Maximo vs. The Army of Zin

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