Why isnt Final Fantasy considered "epic" and medieval fantasies are

#1Sir_Tom_JonesPosted 4/28/2013 6:33:10 AM(edited)
Is it me or are medieval settings with magic on par with Lord of the Rings, Elder Scrolls, Game of Thrones and all the other overrated franchises the only things that are 'epic'? These days PSY is being deemed 'epic' if you know what i mean.

First of all, the word epic lost its meaning years ago thanks to our good friend the interwebz and lovely tweens but i think Final Fantasy is considered epic. Even some bits from the Lightning saga. The Gran Prix cutscene from FFXIII is something i think is really rememorable. Refreshing memory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWJxXtjOjIo

As cheesy as the XIII saga is, that cutscene made it worthwile.

Also, imo Final Fanasy is more "epic" than some medieval fantasy setting. FF created magical world settings since the start of Squaresoft. Are they hard to compare? Perhaps, altho i still cant see why FF isnt epic while the other mediocre stuff are.

Thoughts are welcome.
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#2MagiusNecrosPosted 4/28/2013 6:38:38 AM
Golden Sun and the old Shining Force games were a lot more memorable to me.
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#3MalakTawusPosted 4/28/2013 6:40:19 AM
I can't speak for other people but for me "epic" and "medieval settings" are not related at all (just to be clear, i'm not saying that the two things exclude each other)
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#4King_Shortt_IXPosted 4/28/2013 6:49:02 AM(edited)
The difference is the writing, and this generation has really accentuated this point.

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#5dils-dPosted 4/28/2013 6:56:44 AM
I consider games epic if they are justifiably dramatic without being cheesy.

The XIII series has not lived up to this so far.
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#6TheGreatPotatoPosted 4/28/2013 7:07:04 AM
Depends what you mean by epic. Epic in scope, or epic in feel?
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#7TrueBURPPosted 4/28/2013 11:46:58 AM
There is not a single Final Fantasy that is not epic if you consider the academic meaning of the word. There's no real dispute on that: all of them deal with heroic characters that do heroic deeds in a large scale within the worlds they're in. If they're good epics or bad epics is another case altogether.

Many peaople do mix the word epic in the sense of greatness and quality, though. To that people, maybe there are some Final fantasies that aren't all that epic.
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#8j-fielding95Posted 4/28/2013 11:54:03 AM
For me, epic is something large in size and scope, so Final Fantasy is epic to me.
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#9Rodrigo996Posted 4/28/2013 12:13:27 PM
Well i don't consider XIII epic, but ****ing amazing! By the fact i fell it was more of a novelist game than epic game, yet i came close to epic. I hardly consider games epic, even if they are big and fun. It is the feeling the game gives.

For example I dont consider Skyrim epic, because i never felt in the story. The NPCs were almost faceless they didnt transmit emotion, and the game was SO OPEN you never felt IN the main story or any other story.

Uncharted on the other had made you get IN the story as well as the surroundings in motion, the feeling of runing out of time and scenes were AMAZING. Thats something I consider EPIC.
#10mahroflcopterPosted 4/28/2013 12:30:18 PM
On a purely academic level: All Final Fantasy mainline entries I - XII can be considered "epics". Whether or not that was what the writers had in mind is up for debate and whether or not they were good is up for debate.

Final Fantasy XIII/XIII-2/LR, on the other hand, are clearly structured to resemble the traditional "epic". en media res is used with backstory and other events told through the usage of flashbacks, extensive symbolism/metaphors are used, divine intervention is present, Lightning can be considered the designated "Epic Hero" with all the talk about her being a role model for Japan (Epic Heroes are supposed to reflect the ideals and morals of a given culture), Lightning has a direct connection to the divine, superhuman feats are found everywhere, the success or failure of Lightning and co. in each of the games has determined the fate of the entire planet/timeline/humanity, it has "stylized" dialogue (Lightning in XIII-2, Caius, Yeul, Mog at points, and the analects found in XIII), the narrative focuses on the heroes deeds (hell, XIII-2 mentions them every 20 minutes or so), and "The Lightning Saga" has a "vast setting" (Cocoon, Pulse, Valhalla, and Novus Partus). But again, whether or not the story is actually any good is up for debate.
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