why put the new MH on this joke of a system?

OngoBayPosted 1/21/2013 12:05:27 PM
Period_Eggs posted...
Yup, Wii U struggles to run the multiplats it has at slightly below the graphics of other systems. Eventually devs will improve and make games look the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZO33bCFwks
As seen here, any developer that cares enough can already exceed previous gen graphics with the WiiU....granted, I wouldn't lend much credibility to the posters of this vid in general since they attempt to include PC on the PS3/360 side(probably due to rabbid Nintyfanboyism), but aside from that, the vid does its' job. Ultimately, the discussion is pointless due to the fact that those who are annoyed simply by the name 'Nintendo' only have to wait for Sony and MSoft's iterations of current-gen, which will easily surpass the WiiU's output.


It shouldn't take 1 hour to DL 1 GB on any system. Wii U's online sucks.

I suppose so. Download times aside, my Wii had hiccup-free online gameplay(my experience was with Tri and Goldeneye). I expect the WiiU to do the same.


MH isn't a 3 hour at a time kind of game and being tethered in 2013 is stupid.

This point ties into your claim about the PS3 having superior functionality. Have you played a WiiU yet? The gamepad is no gimmick. It is a true upgrade to gameplay functionality. Eliminating/reducing the need for a HUD makes games that much more visually impressive. "Asymmetrical" gameplay isn't a gimmick either; just try it. However, the screen on that controller comes with the price of battery life. So be it. ....Just don't confuse the WiiU gamepad with the Wiimote when it comes to gimmicks. The Wiimote was a very successful gimmick, but a gimmick none-the-less. Even with the MotionPlus upgrade, it is still far from a 1-to-1 experience. Gimmick.


Being upset over MH3U's release on the WiiU has nothing to do with the system itself being a joke. The WiiU is more than capable. The expectation that Nintendo is trying to bait-and-switch HCgamers by releasing games like Bayonetta2, COD, MassEffect, Arkham, etc. however, may be a valid concern for those that are likely to stick with PS/XB.

But the truth is, unless Nintendo can lure more quality 3rd party licenses, they are in serious trouble. The Wii completely annihilated both PS3 and 360 in console sales, but lost the battle anyway because they couldn't move as many games. In my estimation, the WiiU won't sell as well as the Wii. This is because much of the Wii's target audience was non-gamers, including grandparents that had an easy to operate videogame system to entertain their grandkids. But because they aren't gamers, they are unlikely to rush out to get a current-gen model as long as the old one is working...and Nintendo tends to make the most durable hardware. Nintendo has to either hope the competition drags their feet prior to releasing new models(a potential 2-year head-start could easily make up for technical inferiority), or they have to expand the oft-mentioned 3rd party support considerably.

tldr: get a WiiU and a PS4
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ngc628Posted 1/21/2013 2:26:02 PM
1. Profit

I am not a programming expert or a game producer but in Monster Hunter Ultimate you will still have the same character design, and character animation/mechanics as there were in the first Monster Hunter. Our 3D characters will be moving around 2D set pieces while not in the field. In the field we will have loading screens between areas.

A lot of things have changed in the gaming world since 2004, Monster Hunter really hasn't changed that much. I am not complaining, I feel admiration for the producers of the first game; they got it so right.

The bottom line is that why should Capcom invest millions to appease western MH fans with a glossy new game for PS3 or Xbox360, when the can coast into the 3DS and the WiiU.

2. Japan

Western fans are second class citizens in the Monster Hunter fandom. We don't keep keep the bills paid at Capcom and never have. Gaming culture in Japan is younger and more portable. Tri has sold about two million units world wide, MHP3 sold two and a half million copies in two weeks and now sales are about 4.8 million.

And now unappreciative western fans will have Monster Hunter on a console with online gaming (no fees), voice chat (not in Japan), USB keyboard support (not in Japan). I would suggest you stop moaning and start to evangelize.

This might be the west's last kick at the can.
d_money_manPosted 1/21/2013 4:44:56 PM
ngc628 posted...
1. Profit

I am not a programming expert or a game producer but in Monster Hunter Ultimate you will still have the same character design, and character animation/mechanics as there were in the first Monster Hunter. Our 3D characters will be moving around 2D set pieces while not in the field. In the field we will have loading screens between areas.

A lot of things have changed in the gaming world since 2004, Monster Hunter really hasn't changed that much. I am not complaining, I feel admiration for the producers of the first game; they got it so right.

The bottom line is that why should Capcom invest millions to appease western MH fans with a glossy new game for PS3 or Xbox360, when the can coast into the 3DS and the WiiU.

2. Japan

Western fans are second class citizens in the Monster Hunter fandom. We don't keep keep the bills paid at Capcom and never have. Gaming culture in Japan is younger and more portable. Tri has sold about two million units world wide, MHP3 sold two and a half million copies in two weeks and now sales are about 4.8 million.

And now unappreciative western fans will have Monster Hunter on a console with online gaming (no fees), voice chat (not in Japan), USB keyboard support (not in Japan). I would suggest you stop moaning and start to evangelize.

This might be the west's last kick at the can.


This guy has an excellent point. For once Capcom has shown the West som love and given us things that even Japan doesn't get. And yet you complain...
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nathninteyonePosted 1/21/2013 6:06:09 PM
GrapeKiwi posted...
OngoBay posted...
GrapeKiwi posted...
Theres the ps3...Vita... 3ds...
all systems I'd rather see it on then this heap of metal...


It's on the 3DS.
The WiiU is more capable than the PS3.
You seem unprepared.


Its on the 3ds? well. Checkmate sir. I've been had.
Still would rather have it on console though :\

when you say "Capable" are you referring to its portability as a plus, or do you mean its more powerful? I can see where it has some advantages - I'd really like a vita/ps3 MH though.

edit: does it have online in this or the 3ds version?


Actually quite classy of you to admit your mistake...

Give the Wii U a chance, seems to me like everyone is writing it off without giving it a chance, its a great console and i couldn't be happier with this game being on there too.

To answer your question, No online on 3DS, Online and Voice chat on Wii U :)

Also, i'd love a MH on vita, that'd get so much play time from me, PS3 not so much, i really dislike playing online on ps3, can't put my finger on it, but theres just something about it i dont like. Great exclusives on there though! :o
DoktoroktopusPosted 1/21/2013 6:09:31 PM
This might be the west's last kick at the can.

4 is coming for the 3DS.
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Period_EggsPosted 1/21/2013 6:40:43 PM(edited)
OngoBay posted...

This point ties into your claim about the PS3 having superior functionality. Have you played a WiiU yet? The gamepad is no gimmick. It is a true upgrade to gameplay functionality. Eliminating/reducing the need for a HUD makes games that much more visually impressive. "Asymmetrical" gameplay isn't a gimmick either; just try it. However, the screen on that controller comes with the price of battery life. So be it. ....Just don't confuse the WiiU gamepad with the Wiimote when it comes to gimmicks. The Wiimote was a very successful gimmick, but a gimmick none-the-less. Even with the MotionPlus upgrade, it is still far from a 1-to-1 experience. Gimmick.


Being upset over MH3U's release on the WiiU has nothing to do with the system itself being a joke. The WiiU is more than capable. The expectation that Nintendo is trying to bait-and-switch HCgamers by releasing games like Bayonetta2, COD, MassEffect, Arkham, etc. however, may be a valid concern for those that are likely to stick with PS/XB.

But the truth is, unless Nintendo can lure more quality 3rd party licenses, they are in serious trouble. The Wii completely annihilated both PS3 and 360 in console sales, but lost the battle anyway because they couldn't move as many games. In my estimation, the WiiU won't sell as well as the Wii. This is because much of the Wii's target audience was non-gamers, including grandparents that had an easy to operate videogame system to entertain their grandkids. But because they aren't gamers, they are unlikely to rush out to get a current-gen model as long as the old one is working...and Nintendo tends to make the most durable hardware. Nintendo has to either hope the competition drags their feet prior to releasing new models(a potential 2-year head-start could easily make up for technical inferiority), or they have to expand the oft-mentioned 3rd party support considerably.

tldr: get a WiiU and a PS4



None of that has anything to do with what I said except for excuses made for the gamepad's horrible battery. Here's news for you: there's already third party batteries that offer much better life then what the gamepad offers. What this says to me is that Nintendo just wanted to be cheap(what else is new).

Edit: BTW, I do own a Wii U. I won it. It costed me $6 for a whopper meal.
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d_money_manPosted 1/21/2013 7:31:46 PM
You won your Wii U from Burger King? Wow... and still you complain...
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majinbuu58Posted 1/21/2013 10:45:52 PM
TC bashed the Wii yet it doesn't sound like he's even played anything on it.. lol
UlNinPosted 1/22/2013 8:34:11 AM(edited)
Nintendo didn't lose the war. They sold a lot more consoles AND did pretty darned well in titles. If you don't count all the packaged software (Wii Sports, Kinect Adventures, &c.) then the top 10 selling titles[1] on the PS3-XBox-Wii are:
Mario Kart
NSMB
COD:MW3 - XBox
COD:BO - XBox
COD:MW2 - XBox
COD:MW3 - PS3
Halo3
SSB Brawl
COD:BO2 - XBox
Super Mario Galaxy

4 are Wii titles, almost as many as COD. There are also nine DS titles that have sold in that range as well and zero PSP. I think it's really difficult to argue that Nintendo did not win this past generation unless you are a shooter afficiando. Perhaps not as decisive a victory as the PS2 had, but a win nonetheless.

It's true that Nintendo's financials took a big hit in the past few years - nothing like the slide that Sony's going through, but still not pretty. Not surprising as this coincides with the slow recovery and double dip recession conditions stemming from the Financial Crisis, still being felt globally three years later. Also with the rise of the tablet and mobile gaming on smart phones.

Nintendo is different from Microsoft and Sony. They are a gaming company only, and don't have Windows or high end TV and audio sales to cushion against loss of market to Angry Birds. As a result, they are a lot more susceptible to changing trends in gaming. This has forced them to be more adaptable. Call their innovations[2] "gimmicks" if you want, the fact is that four years af.ter the Wii, the other two consoles introduced motion controls.

Final points - innovation isn't necessarily good. VirtualBoy for example. Nor does good innovation necessarily translate into commercial success - the Dreamcast pioneered online functionality for consoles. There are just too many factors which impact how well any console is going to do in the future. So, I have no idea if the Gamepad controller is going to be totally awesome or totally forgotten. Only time will tell.

[1] As per VGChartz: http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/ I appreciate that VGChartz data isn't comprehensive, but it is close enough to make my point.
[2] I also appreciate that Nintendo didn't invent motion control. They just managed to implement it incredibly successfully. And just like how there is already multi-screen functionality in PC games, the way the Gamepad is being implemented is a total change in the way developers approach gaming and gamers interact with their titles.

Edit: That's XBox360 of course. Sorry I wasn't clear.

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dunn_dolo_4lifePosted 1/22/2013 9:37:06 AM
d_money_man posted...
You won your Wii U from Burger King? Wow... and still you complain...


This^

Some people have all the luck......
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