Moving unsubdued innocents (best way to lots of innocents)

#1gueringPosted 10/29/2013 2:11:50 PM
Can you still move them and subdue into a 95 floor of a innocent route item for multiplyed level innocents ? I can't find the innocent that transfers them. Is 95 floors ok for this ? How do I move them ?

How exactly is this process in Disgaea D2 ?

My objective is: to have 1900 Sparring Partner and 4x 300 staticians as soon (and as easy) as possible.

Also would appreciate if someone know where to find weapons with those innocents.
---
All my life I've wanted to be someone; I guess I should have been more specific.
#2Zetsu-boudaPosted 10/29/2013 2:13:26 PM
No, you can't There's no way to move unsubdued innocents this time.
---
"You take Flonne to be your wife, and you take Etna to be your mistress.
And then you end up as a bloody corpse, but it was probably worth it" D:D2
#3guering(Topic Creator)Posted 10/29/2013 2:33:57 PM
So, people using floor 95 trick for 4x bonus are leveling a FRESH NEW item ALL THE WAY from 1 to 95 each time they want 4x bonus ?
That doesn't seem to worth the time at all.
#4Zetsu-boudaPosted 10/29/2013 2:40:49 PM
You get innocents pretty often, even rare ones like double stat boosters, status ailment-inducing or Statisticians/Managers.
Since you'll be rushing R39 items for the upgrades, it's totally worth it when you have subdued innocents at hand that reside in the item.
---
"You take Flonne to be your wife, and you take Etna to be your mistress.
And then you end up as a bloody corpse, but it was probably worth it" D:D2
#5guering(Topic Creator)Posted 10/29/2013 3:10:07 PM
Yeah but what will tell which innocent you're subduing is pure luck, right ? Since you can't tell what innocents will have on your R39 item, until you steal/win it.

Let's say I'm hunting for Statisticians. The 100 floor run will only worth (item-wise), if its an useful item It is hard enough to find statisticians, let alone in the item I want. Not to mention that I might wanna hunt for innocents first, before I go for items.

Anyways, if that's how it goes, that's a pretty flawed mechanic. They screwed up, D4 had this system optimized imo.
#6GeminiEclipsePosted 10/29/2013 3:27:13 PM
Only do the 95 floor trick if it happens to be convenient for you.

Like on floor 70 or so I had a gladiator spawn so I merged my stack onto the item and subdued on 95+. Otherwise I wouldn't go out of my way to level an item with gladiator on it.

It's also worth it for rare ones you can buy like guardian. You can have 4-5 empty spaces while just keeping a guardian on the item.

For statistician they cap at 300 per stack so waiting till 95 is probably just wasting time. You can get a decent amount of items with them from the item world seller or random chests in iw.
#7AshtonRPG7Posted 10/29/2013 3:38:32 PM
I have 8x 300 staticians... I got them all from the toy vending machine... also got there everything else ;)
#8GeminiEclipsePosted 10/29/2013 3:40:31 PM
AshtonRPG7 posted...
I have 8x 300 staticians... I got them all from the toy vending machine... also got there everything else ;)


Oh yeah I completely forgot about the vending machine.
#9guering(Topic Creator)Posted 10/29/2013 4:39:23 PM
I see. Alright imma give it a try, thanks guys.
#10Sora_kun85Posted 10/29/2013 6:28:47 PM
1) Is 95 floors ok for this ?
It depends, for statistician and such that caps at 300 and normally comes with unsubdued level of 30 or so, the faster way is subduing them in 1+ IW Innocent Route floors for a x2 bonus, then merge the 5x 60 level subdued together:

30 (unsub) = 60 (2x bonus sub) x5 (10/15 levels; usually 6 to 15 is the floors range for the first innocent spawn) = 300 (sub) in 50/75 levels

this change for high max level subdued innocents or low level unsubdued innocents, like sparring partner (1900 sub) and guardians (1-7 unsub), for example a good way for sparring partner is:

30 (unsub) sparring partner = 282/300 (unsub) in 100/150 levels =

= 846 or so (3x bonus sub) x1 (50+ levels) = 423 (unsub) in 150/200 levels =

= 1269 or so (3x bonus sub) x1 (50+ levels) = 634 (unsub) in 200/250 levels =

= 1900 (sub) (3x bonus sub) x1 (50+ levels) = 1900 (sub) in 250/300 levels

even a 475 (unsub) = 1900 (sub) (4x bonus sub) x1 (90+ levels) in 250/330 levels is good

if you do the same with the x2 bonus, you need something as 320/480 levels and more time to enter and exit IW, that's not good

a good way for guardians is 90+ for the 4x bonus

if you're lucky and find an innocent geo-symbol, kill the innocent on a panel with this propriety, this will give an ulterior bonus of 2x, at 90+ floors 4x bonus + innocent symbol bonus is a godsend

2) You can move only subdued innocents, however you can merge a subdued and an unsubdued innocent of the same type, this gives you a new unsubdued innocent which level is = "unsubdued version level"+"1/2 subdued version level", than you can subdue it again; this is the fast way to subdue high max level innocents or low level unsubdued innocents

for example: 30 (unsub) sparring partner + 200 (sub) sparring partner = 130 (unsub) sparring partner

3) sparring partner/statistician ecc innocents: find them on IW shop items or toy vending machine items
guardians: find them in IW innocent shops (higher rank items sells higher level innocents) or in IW bonus stages
---
Last video made: Disgaea D2: A Brighter Darkness - Walkthrough part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M8Mosr-dng)
Awaiting: The Guided Fate Paradox ecc..