General Tier List Topic

#1Apothecary2Posted 1/21/2014 2:57:10 PM
Okay then.
#2Apothecary2(Topic Creator)Posted 1/21/2014 2:59:50 PM
You are free to create your own versions with modifications(within reason). This concludes my major work until I have XL.

Tier 1 (fastest offense, Completely unstoppable)
Sun Shangxiang (horse charge)
Ding Feng (horse charge)
Deng AI (horse charge)
Huang Zhong (horse charge)
-Cai Wenji (horse charge)

Tier 2 (Extreme offense, unstoppable)
+Sima Shi (C3)
+Zhang Liao (switch attack, C4-EX)
+Mounted Pang Tong (horse charge)
+Xiahou Yuan (c2,c6)
+Guo Jia (jump charge, extra orbs->c4)
Ling Tong (charged switch attack)
Pang De (c1, c4)
Zhang Fei (c2,c6)
Lu Xun (c3)
Bao Sanniang (c3)
Zhou Tai (c3->charged switch attack)
Xiahou Ba (c1->c4)
Gan Ning (c3->shadow sprint)


Tier 3
(fast offense, unstoppable)
++Sun Jian (c2,c6)
+Xiahou Dun (c2)
+Taishi Ci (c2,c5-EX)
Jia Xu (c2,C4)
Zhou Yu (c4)
Xiao Qiao (c4,c5)
Da Qiao (c4)
Liu Bei (c2,c4)
Jiang wei (c4,c5)
Xingcai (c3,c4)
Zhong Hui (c3,S6)
Wang Yi (c6)
Emei Piercers( c1,C4, jump charge)

(extreme offense, defensive flaws)
+Wang Yuanji(c4,c6)
Siam Zhao (c6)
Lian Shi (switch attack->c4)
Zhurong (c6)
Twin/paired Fans (C5->jump charge)
-Guan Yinping (rotating c6,c4-EX->c6)
--Han Dang (c4,c5)

(Unique playstyle)
Rotating Crossbow (c4,C6)

(Highly efficient musou spammers)
Yueying (storm rush,r1 musou,rage musou)
-Zuo Ci(c2-EX->musou,c2-EX->r1musou,storm rush, rage musou)
-Cao Ren (c4-EX,rage musou, storm rush, musou)


Tier 4
(fast offense)
+Guan Ping(Charged c1,c6,R1 musou)
Zhang He (c2->jump charge,S6)
Sun Ce (c4, musou)
Ma chao (c3-EX)
Zhang Jiao (c1,c6)
Meng Huo (c4,c6)
Sabatons ( air switch attack)
Dian Wei (c1-EX->c4)
Xu Huang (C2,c3)
-Xu Zhu (c3,c5,c6)
-Yue Jin (c3,S6)
-Huang Gai (c5-EX,c6)
-Zhenji (c6)
-Lu Bu (r1 musou, air musou, switch attack->button mash)
- Diaochan (C5)



(Inconsistent extreme offense)
+Flame sword(ignite->C6)
Wei Yan (c5)
Yuan Shao (c6)
Guan Xing (c4,c5,c6)
-Lu Meng (c3,c6)
-Cao Pi (c6)

(Powerful and efficient Musou)
Guan Yu (c1-EX->c6,c1-EX->r1 musou)
Pang Tong (Storm Rush, Musou, Rage musou ending)
-Zhao Yun (r1 musou,storm rush,rage musou)

(extreme offense, great defensive flaws)
Ma Dai (C5)


Tier 5
(inconsistent offense)
Zhang Bao (c6)
Jia Chong (c1->c3)
Sun Quan (c3)
Guan suo(c4,c5,c6)


(Defensive flaws,Inconsistent fast offense)
Dong Zhuo (C2, c4)

(slow offense)
+Wen Yang (c4)
Lu Su (c4)
Liu shan (c4)

(Powerful, Inefficient musou spammer)
Xu Shu(r1 musou,storm rush,rage musou)
Guo Huai (r1 musou, air musou, storm rush,rage musou)
-Cao Cao (storm rush, Musou, Rage musou)
-Zhuge Dan (storm rush, R1 musou, Rage musou)

Tier 6 (inconsistent slow offense, defensive flaws)
Zhuge Liang (c6)
Zhang Chunhua (c4)
Bladebow

Tier 7 (Slower offense)
Li Dian(c3)

Sima Yi Tier (Slowest offense, severe defensive flaws)
Sima Yi (S6)

And here is the video playlist.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1fw1cNGELvqRYrHJ1EvMDLrAqBo4rkbx
#3GanNingFanPosted 1/21/2014 4:43:21 PM
Yeah, I remember they focused too many irrelevant stuffs. I could definitely see a lot of flaws. First of all, they said non-self-sustaining DW Musou can literally be not constantly abusable, which is BS. Zhong Hui's Musou itself isn't self-sustainable, BUT his C1-EX makes his Musou extremely self-sustainable (better than Sun Ce's Musou itself). Sure, Zhong Hui needs crowds to drain back Musou, well so does Sun Ce, and Zhong Hui's absorption rate is much better, so his Musou is more abusable. I remember that they mention Zhong Hui's charges other than C1-EX.

Cao Cao's EX-Musou transition is my imaginary offense with him, and Tarrot use it while Kara didn't, so Tarrot's tier list analysis is definitely better. I also don't really like Effective Invulnerablility tier because some can have really good defense but mediocre offense. They also have Okuni in E tier when she has a specific way to fight safely, even able to clear AONU. Also, I remember they have Kai in A+ when her offense is nothing spectacular.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/644809-warriors-orochi-3/62869879?page=34

For example, look at the analysis Kara did on Kai.

It analyze things that aren't relevant to tier list.
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#4grandcalabashPosted 1/21/2014 5:07:39 PM
do either of you have or play wo3 vanilla?
#5Apothecary2(Topic Creator)Posted 1/21/2014 5:11:36 PM
grandcalabash posted...
do either of you have or play wo3 vanilla?


I have vanilla.
#6GanNingFanPosted 1/21/2014 6:00:30 PM
I don't but I won't get it. I can take tips from other tier list veterans.
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#7grandcalabashPosted 1/21/2014 6:18:24 PM
apo there are a lot fo subtle differences between wo3 and wo3u. i dont think you can realy know enough about vanilla to critisize the tiering folk, from playing ultimate. if you want to prove me very wrong take goemon though vanilla chaos ninjas united-non mounted under tiering conditions.

and ning wo3 at its core everyone is fast enough and hits hard enough, and it doesn't take much of a mistake to be taken down. making survival and ease more core issues than actual offense.
#8Apothecary2(Topic Creator)Posted 1/21/2014 6:33:36 PM
grandcalabash posted...
apo there are a lot fo subtle differences between wo3 and wo3u. i dont think you can realy know enough about vanilla to critisize the tiering folk, from playing ultimate. if you want to prove me very wrong take goemon though vanilla chaos ninjas united-non mounted under tiering conditions.

and ning wo3 at its core everyone is fast enough and hits hard enough, and it doesn't take much of a mistake to be taken down. making survival and ease more core issues than actual offense.


http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/693049-one-piece-pirate-warriors-2/67292557

Reading through that thread was a lot like this thread or this one

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/940570-samurai-warriors-2-xtreme-legends/43405917

I already said I have vanilla. It is obsolete now. The balance changes have all been very minor. It just turns out that a minor buff was all goemon needed.

Safety was not an issue really when you knew what you were doing. Tarrot made significant improvements over the analyses found in that thread.
#9MaChaoJusticePosted 1/21/2014 7:12:34 PM
Congratulations! You have achieved 500 posts on a topic TWICE on the same board!

Justice!
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#10Apothecary2(Topic Creator)Posted 1/21/2014 7:22:14 PM
That is some sort of accomplishment?