Microsoft Investor Wants To Fire Ballmer And Sell Xbox Division

#161NewMoonShadowPosted 8/24/2013 10:55:52 AM
DesperateMonkey posted...
Get your facts straight. PS2 was the dumbing down era for casuals that the Wii continued.


.... I... I don't.... what.... the... f***...?

Are you even old enough to remember the PS2 era? The PS2 continued what the PS1 started, with games of all types pushing forward and doing new and oftentimes strange things with both graphics and gameplay. Sure it had its share of simple casual games like every console since the NES, but to say that PS2 was the "dumbing down" era for gaming is just factually incorrect. Or in lamens terms, complete bulls***.
#162DesperateMonkeyPosted 8/24/2013 11:00:16 AM
NewMoonShadow posted...
DesperateMonkey posted...
Get your facts straight. PS2 was the dumbing down era for casuals that the Wii continued.


.... I... I don't.... what.... the... f***...?

Are you even old enough to remember the PS2 era? The PS2 continued what the PS1 started, with games of all types pushing forward and doing new and oftentimes strange things with both graphics and gameplay. Sure it had its share of simple casual games like every console since the NES, but to say that PS2 was the "dumbing down" era for gaming is just factually incorrect. Or in lamens terms, complete bulls***.


Kind of like saying this generation is dumbed down? What are your criterias exactly. If we compare the first years of the PS2, over 50% (FIFTY PERCENT) of triple A titles are sports games, and 50% of those games are like Football games.

Oh yeah... DIVERSITY...

Sorry but every generation does interesting stuff and the 7th generation was far more so because indies exploded onto the scene.

Man people really do need to get their facts straight.
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#163NewMoonShadowPosted 8/24/2013 11:20:48 AM
Kind of like saying this generation is dumbed down? What are your criterias exactly. If we compare the first years of the PS2, over 50% (FIFTY PERCENT) of triple A titles are sports games, and 50% of those games are like Football games.

Oh yeah... DIVERSITY...


1: The PS2 has arguably the largest library of games of any console in history.

2: Judging a system's library by its first two or three years is simply cherry-picking information to prove a fallacious point. Especially when its lifespan was closer to ten years... they simply wouldn't stop making games for the damn thing, even after the next gen was halfway over.

DesperateMonkey posted...
Sorry but every generation does interesting stuff and the 7th generation was far more so because indies exploded onto the scene.

Man people really do need to get their facts straight.


Indies exploded onto the scene primarily because of Steam and PC gaming, not consoles. Attributing the explosion of indies to the 7th gen of consoles is like attributing the popularity of the "Battleship" board game to the movie...

Even most of the indie/download games coming out on PS4 are ports of games that have been on Steam for some time.
#164FinzFan4lifePosted 8/24/2013 11:42:38 AM
zack12369 posted...
SoulTrapper posted...
ElPolloDiablo87 posted...
Let it be known that ValueAct, who are the ones that said these things, only hold 1% ownership of MS. Good luck making sweeping changes as 1% owners...


Yeah, as I added to the original post, 1% is actually a pretty big deal.

The biggest MS shareholder has only 4% or so shares.
A 1% owner can actually be a pretty big influence on the other share holders.

So please, don't try to bring this discussion to the business side, because most people here don't understand how it works (as you've just proven).


Apply cold water to burn.



except the person pulling the strings has 51% and the majority say, they make the calls not the 1% it is invested by many people but MS is not stupid enough to pretty much hand over the company, yeah they may lose invetors but people will pick them up,

So as you just proven you don't know
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#165SirLemontPosted 8/24/2013 12:10:42 PM
iamdanthaman posted...
Why is everyone so surprised that MS is branching into entertainment options? It was the same way when they started having all the apps like netflix and the like on the 360, until Sony copied them and did the same thing. Microsoft has always been very candid about the fact that the Xbox was a way for Microsoft to get into people's livingroom and dominate that space the way they dominate the business and home office space.

But now that they have a foothold in that market, you think they are just going to throw it away? Not a chance. They are going to continue to integrate their systems until there is very little difference between their platforms and you can move seamlessly from one to another.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them offering things like office 365 on the Xbox One in a couple of years, so you can build a powerpoint slideshow on your computer, then move to the xbox on the tv to display it, especially considering the fact that they started marketing it to small businesses a few months ago.


Just like they threw away Zune? GFWL? They may have spent a considerable amount of money getting into the market, but investors haven't seen any financial returns on that. Usually, no one would bat an eye because Windows was easily able to absorb the cost of getting the Xbox into the market. But with the sluggish reception of Windows 8, these other less than successful ventures become apparent.

One of the bigger offenders is indeed the Xbox. Sure they spent a lot of money getting into the market, but they're more money just to stay in it. Remember the RROD? Spending money to secure timed exclusives, which they're still doing now. Now with the Xbox One being outpaced in preorders by the PS4. No wonder this investment group is calling for the sale of the Xbox brand, too costly with diminishing returns.
#166SirLemontPosted 8/24/2013 12:13:45 PM
You know what? THIS is the reason why we have the Xbox 180 instead of the Xbox One. It isn't because gamers complained, it's because investors complained.
#167DesperateMonkeyPosted 8/24/2013 12:19:18 PM
Kind of like saying this generation is dumbed down? What are your criterias exactly. If we compare the first years of the PS2, over 50% (FIFTY PERCENT) of triple A titles are sports games, and 50% of those games are like Football games.

Oh yeah... DIVERSITY...


1: The PS2 has arguably the largest library of games of any console in history.

2: Judging a system's library by its first two or three years is simply cherry-picking information to prove a fallacious point. Especially when its lifespan was closer to ten years... they simply wouldn't stop making games for the damn thing, even after the next gen was halfway over.

Except we aren't really talking about console vs console. We are talking about gaming generally and how it has been. The PS2 may have had a large library, but thats because devs were concentrated. The Wii and Xbox 360 both did very well unlike the Xbox original which was just a Halo machine and the GCN which had a few Nintendo titles only. In fact, there are many more genres that are widely available in 7th generation than PS2s generation. As for 10 years, its obvious that developers haven't stopped making games for 360 yet and that system is already 8 years old...

DesperateMonkey posted...
Sorry but every generation does interesting stuff and the 7th generation was far more so because indies exploded onto the scene.

Man people really do need to get their facts straight.


Indies exploded onto the scene primarily because of Steam and PC gaming, not consoles.


I don't care where it started, it was absent in the 6th generation period hence the PS2 already loses out on diversity and interesting titles.

Attributing the explosion of indies to the 7th gen of consoles is like attributing the popularity of the "Battleship" board game to the movie...

Dumb analogy does not change the facts and in reality, the explosion of indie games did not arrive until XBLA produced a lucrative platform for them with games like Castle Crashers selling over a million copies as well as titles like geo wars. They did a lot to promote indies and only after the XBLA explosion did PS3 begin competing hardcore for them and that took awhile.

Even most of the indie/download games coming out on PS4 are ports of games that have been on Steam for some time.


What titles are those? The vast majority of popular indie games are either simultaneous launches or first appeared on XBLA. Either way, its irrelevant. The PS2 generation was a joke compared to this generation. What was so great about? I keep hearing kids running their mouths about how PS2 was so much better but the moment we start talking about genre offerings and stuff they just say "it had variety!" and can't hold an argument for two seconds with actual examples of what was better.

Everyone who tried to actually do a comparison on PS2 gen with HD gen has ended up with nothing but egg on their face.

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#168morrowskysPosted 8/24/2013 12:23:48 PM
this news is the greatest for gaming .
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#169BloodyDove2vsPosted 8/24/2013 12:30:20 PM
morrowskys posted...
this news is the greatest for gaming .


I would agree to this statement.
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#170morrowskysPosted 8/24/2013 12:36:21 PM
It is bad for multimedia mangled messes advocates but good for gaming .
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