Penello talks specs!

#141zack12369Posted 9/10/2013 10:48:13 PM
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#142Pixx0Posted 9/11/2013 1:21:28 AM
Troll_Directory posted...
Pixx0 posted...
Not to mention specs didn't matter not so long ago...so another180?


^ That's just trolls trying to have it both ways. Penello says listing specs is meaningless. People say, "but we love reading specs." Penello talks specs. Trolls respond: "Not to mention specs didn't matter not so long ago...so another180?"


Keep tryin' tool
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#143nb003_99Posted 9/11/2013 1:33:37 AM
CaIiber345 posted...
CyberneticRat posted...
Makes sense.

Sony is a hardware company (TVs, Bluray players etc.) so it'd make sense the hardware of the Playstation 4 would be superior.

Microsoft is a software company (DirectX, Windows OS, etc.) so it'd make sense they would be superior in the software department.

I think that's basically what Penello is saying: both systems actually balance each other out resulting in basically systems of roughly equal power.


Hell, I'm anti-Xbox One and don't know much about hardware and software and specs, but my rudimentary knowledge says this is the likely scenario.

And out of all the Microsoft mouthpieces, Penello is the only one that I can listen to without wanting to take a chainsaw to my nether parts.


Which in turn should have no feeling whatsoever.
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#144TheApd_ReturnsPosted 9/11/2013 1:38:58 AM
HENTAIDOJI posted...
MetroidFan9999 posted...
I like how he claims more CU's means nothing, and just adds the ESRAM + DDR3 memory bandwidth together like that is how it works XD


That is how it works.

The most ironic thing is that he was saying that Sony's hardware advantage was not as great as it appeared, then added the potential bandwidth of the two different types of ram, while neglecting to mention that that total bandwidth would only apply to 32 Mb at a time.

The majority of bandwidth in any console is dedicated to only a few MB of data.


I thought the Xbox One and PS4 will have games constantly pumping in and out 8GB through memory at any given moment!
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#145Evel138Posted 9/11/2013 1:45:18 AM
This has to be hard to hear for those that have been laboring under the delusion that the XB1 is an Atari 2600 while the PS4 is the f******* holodeck.....as illustrated by 150+ posts of guys not trying to address any of his actual points, but simply lodging personal attacks, calling his credibility into question as if THAT can just make it all go away.

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#146nb003_99Posted 9/11/2013 2:00:15 AM(edited)
Evel138 posted...
This has to be hard to hear for those that have been laboring under the delusion that the XB1 is an Atari 2600 while the PS4 is the f******* holodeck.....as illustrated by 150+ posts of guys not trying to address any of his actual points, but simply lodging personal attacks, calling his credibility into question as if THAT can just make it all go away.

The truth is a bitter pill. That's life, kids.


Personally, I have respect for Pinello for standing strong with their convictions.
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#147PhiISpencerPosted 9/11/2013 2:07:47 AM
Evel138 posted...
This has to be hard to hear for those that have been laboring under the delusion that the XB1 is an Atari 2600 while the PS4 is the f******* holodeck.....as illustrated by 150+ posts of guys not trying to address any of his actual points, but simply lodging personal attacks, calling his credibility into question as if THAT can just make it all go away.

The truth is a bitter pill. That's life, kids.


Yeah that's exactly what's going on and that's exactly what's been happening, Chad /sarcasm

No, what's happening is that people are voicing that there is a significant difference in hardware, and Albert Penello is trying to spin it saying that tech tricks and fancy promises will bring parity between two clearly different specs, not taking into account he's not a tech guy, not taking into account that all these "super duper hardware pushing tricks" can be done by PS4 techs too.

The truth is a bitter pill indeed, and it's why the Xbone camp are sticking their fingers in their ears over the fact that the PS4 is more powerful and has an easier development environment. This WILL manifest in bette visuals for PS4 games after a year in to this coming gen. Count on it!
#148fuzzykuffsPosted 9/11/2013 4:18:16 AM
PhiISpencer posted...
Evel138 posted...
This has to be hard to hear for those that have been laboring under the delusion that the XB1 is an Atari 2600 while the PS4 is the f******* holodeck.....as illustrated by 150+ posts of guys not trying to address any of his actual points, but simply lodging personal attacks, calling his credibility into question as if THAT can just make it all go away.

The truth is a bitter pill. That's life, kids.


Yeah that's exactly what's going on and that's exactly what's been happening, Chad /sarcasm

No, what's happening is that people are voicing that there is a significant difference in hardware, and Albert Penello is trying to spin it saying that tech tricks and fancy promises will bring parity between two clearly different specs, not taking into account he's not a tech guy, not taking into account that all these "super duper hardware pushing tricks" can be done by PS4 techs too.

The truth is a bitter pill indeed, and it's why the Xbone camp are sticking their fingers in their ears over the fact that the PS4 is more powerful and has an easier development environment. This WILL manifest in bette visuals for PS4 games after a year in to this coming gen. Count on it!


Actually he is saying that there is a difference in hardware. He is saying that rather than look at the engine, spoiler and headlights of a car you should also take the drivetrain, brakes, suspension etc into account. Visuals should have an edge on PS4 due to the superior GPU but games are more than just pretty graphics and things like AI, sound, framerate etc are important too. I know it is fun to side with the vocal majority but calling design inovations tech tricks is beneath you.

If the PS4 techs can do them too why have we heard absolutely nothing from them yet? At least Microsoft is offering a dialogue.
#149PraetorXynPosted 9/11/2013 5:29:10 AM
fuzzykuffs posted...
PhiISpencer posted...
Evel138 posted...
This has to be hard to hear for those that have been laboring under the delusion that the XB1 is an Atari 2600 while the PS4 is the f******* holodeck.....as illustrated by 150+ posts of guys not trying to address any of his actual points, but simply lodging personal attacks, calling his credibility into question as if THAT can just make it all go away.

The truth is a bitter pill. That's life, kids.


Yeah that's exactly what's going on and that's exactly what's been happening, Chad /sarcasm

No, what's happening is that people are voicing that there is a significant difference in hardware, and Albert Penello is trying to spin it saying that tech tricks and fancy promises will bring parity between two clearly different specs, not taking into account he's not a tech guy, not taking into account that all these "super duper hardware pushing tricks" can be done by PS4 techs too.

The truth is a bitter pill indeed, and it's why the Xbone camp are sticking their fingers in their ears over the fact that the PS4 is more powerful and has an easier development environment. This WILL manifest in bette visuals for PS4 games after a year in to this coming gen. Count on it!


Actually he is saying that there is a difference in hardware. He is saying that rather than look at the engine, spoiler and headlights of a car you should also take the drivetrain, brakes, suspension etc into account. Visuals should have an edge on PS4 due to the superior GPU but games are more than just pretty graphics and things like AI, sound, framerate etc are important too. I know it is fun to side with the vocal majority but calling design inovations tech tricks is beneath you.

If the PS4 techs can do them too why have we heard absolutely nothing from them yet? At least Microsoft is offering a dialogue.


The fallacy of your analogy is the assumption that the other car won't have similar tunings.

I don't really care which one's better as I have no interest in either. But people need to be objective and educate themselves about computer architecture and hardware before they go casting stones.
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#150HENTAIDOJIPosted 9/11/2013 5:30:56 AM
Vylsith posted...
TheBorderCollie posted...
Sony Fanboys are hilarious.

Bill Gates himself could announce what the specs are for the Xbox 1...and the Sony clan would still accuse him of not really knowing the truth.

L...M...A..O


We already know the specs. We've already known the specs for a while. The specs aren't under question, Albert Penello's inability to understand technology is the problem.

Second, despite his insistence to the contrary, memory bandwidth CANNOT simply be added together. Memory pools do not combine together to create Voltron, they're separate. While they can send data back and forth, they can only do so at the speed of their respected bandwidth. DDR3 will not send faster than 68 GB/s. Ever. You can't change that by adding eSRAM. It's still 68 GB/s. You can send data from DDR3 to eSRAM at 68 GB/s where it can then be sent out to the CPU or GPU at 214 GB/s (theoretical maximum after GPU clock speed increase), but it has to arrive at the eSRAM before it can be sent out at this speed. As long as it is sitting in DDR3 the eSRAM has absolutely no effect on its speed of transmission. Pretending that you can add 214 to 68 for the total system bandwidth is just nonsense. It means nothing. It's like adding the clock speed of the CPU and GPU together and pretending that you can process instructions faster. No. You can't. He's wrong, Microsoft knows he's wrong, they said the same FUD at E3.


It can be added together. The same way a multicore cpu is works on multiple threads simultaneously is faster than one core working on 2 jobs. The same way 2x 256mb pools meant the PS3 had 512mb of ram.
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