Hard drive format

#1The JackassPosted 10/11/2013 2:45:19 PM
Any word yet on my the external hard drive format will have to be in? I know with the ps3 and 360 they have to be in fat32. Which is fine as I have 3 but as far as I know you can't format higher than 2tb with it.

So what I am saying I guess is I'm looking to upgrade to a higher storage but not till I know it will work on the new systems.
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#2MrImpatient35Posted 10/11/2013 3:56:30 PM
External HD support wont be available at launch. Expect it sometime next year. Also, Fat32 is an old format, so I HIGHLY doubt they will use that format. It will likely be NTFS.
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#3The Jackass(Topic Creator)Posted 10/11/2013 5:01:45 PM
Thanks I was hoping they would move away from that.

I know that they are saying it wouldn't be supported at launch but I believe that could possibly be just support for game transfer.

I have a feeling they will still be able to be used for media such as video, music and photographs from the beginning.
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#4SnickleseedPosted 10/11/2013 6:42:16 PM
MrImpatient35 posted...
It will likely be some proprietary format.

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#5The Jackass(Topic Creator)Posted 10/11/2013 10:27:08 PM
Snickleseed posted...
MrImpatient35 posted...
It will likely be some proprietary format.

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Why I don't believe that's what he means at all sir
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#6FoppePosted 10/11/2013 10:46:14 PM
It is kinda strange why Microsoft stays with FAT...
I mean, they made NTFS back in 1993 so it wouldn't be that hard for them to add support for it.
I can understand that they used FatX for the Xbox as a way to stop piracy, but why base it on the old FAT instead of NTFS?
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#7The Jackass(Topic Creator)Posted 10/12/2013 12:11:59 AM
Perhaps they are working on a new format and that's why there is the delay?

I mean it has to be different than Fat as it limits your file sizes nothing over 4 something gb I believe.
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#8EoinPosted 10/12/2013 1:33:01 AM
It'll almost certainly be proprietary, like external drive support for the Xbox 360 and like the Wii U, and like the internal hard drive on the PS3. It definitely will not be FAT32. It almost definitely will not be NTFS.

The way it will most likely work is that it'll format whatever hard drive you want to use, so that it can only be used with that Xbox One and nothing else. This is more secure than just using NTFS.

Foppe posted...
I mean, they made NTFS back in 1993 so it wouldn't be that hard for them to add support for it.

NTFS implementation is reportedly difficult, and even though Microsoft created it, if their Entertainment and Services division wanted to use it, they'd still need to license it.

Just to put some perspective onto that implementation difficulty:

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/699e4f81-e54c-4326-b775-17c68526a1bd/licensing-the-ntfs-sepcifcation?forum=isv

That page may not be accessible without an MSDN subscription so let me quote two key pieces from it:

I spoke to a number of people through differet channels at MS about this. It seems that they are unable to document the specification fully enough to be able to provide support. You can get enough information to create volumes and maybe read files but getting writing information seems very difficult.

It turned out that a reliable NTFS implementation would need a major investment (many million USD) and at least 4-5 years of development time.

(Development time at Microsoft themselves would most likely be considerably less than "4-5 years" but probably would still be a huge chunk of time that Microsoft don't actually need to spend writing an NTFS implementation for Xbox One, when they can just throw together a fairly basic proprietary encrypted file system that does exactly what they need it to do and nothing more.
#9FoppePosted 10/12/2013 2:54:52 AM
So let me see if I understand this correctly...
Microsoft created NTFS back in 1993.
Then they continued to update it until Windows XP was released in 2001, and since then they have continued to use the same version for all their OS, including Windows 8.
They documented nothing (or lost all their documentations) so they can't continue to develop it or port it to new hardware.
Which is why they can't use it with the Xbox One, which uses a OS that's based on Windows 8, a OS that can read and write files to a NTFS system, while running on x86 hardware which happen to be the same hardware as they already got NTFS running on.
And Microsoft is forced to pay a license to Microsoft if they want to use it. If you pay a fee to yourself, then it's only seen on the paper.

...so Microsoft is basically reinventing the wheel each time they release a new OS because they have to spend years alone on adding NTFS support?
Instead of saying F*** THIS! and create something new that they actually document? So they don't have to spend years to add support for it for their next OS?

That sound kinda...I don't know... stupid?
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#102NIKNIMPosted 10/12/2013 3:22:27 AM
The Jackass posted...
Perhaps they are working on a new format and that's why there is the delay?

I mean it has to be different than Fat as it limits your file sizes nothing over 4 something gb I believe.


The days of FAT file sizes being limited to 4gb over a long time ago. They could still use ExFAT with their own encryption or UFS even?
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