So Kinect so far is a 100$ fail?

#21SoulTrapperPosted 11/20/2013 6:22:54 AM
dnmt posted...
uchihajuan176 posted...
How is it a failure? please explain everything ive seen of it seems awesome


Here's an example of how it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caJpUpVKyzk

And another little tidbit from The Verge:

There are two distinct ways the Kinect fails, and the first feels inexcusable. Many of the voice commands are extremely rigid, to the point where you need to memorize a list of exact phrases to be able to use them reliably. If you want to go to an app, for instance, you need to start by saying "Xbox go to." But if you want to go to Bing, that structure doesn't work. The correct command is "Xbox Bing," because Microsoft expects you to unquestionably understand and accept that "Bing" should be a verb. If "Xbox on" turns on the console, why doesn't "Xbox off" turn it off? Because "Xbox turn off" is the proper command, and you’ll need to memorize it. If you’re a Redbox Instant subscriber, get used to calling it "Redbox Instant by Verizon," because the Kinect won’t accept anything less. You can't say "Xbox play Forza," you have to say "play Forza Motorsport 5." There are dozens more examples like these.


http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/20/5117320/microsoft-xbox-one-review


It's pretty bad overall. Also you can't select the language you want to use, people in Germany must speak in German, Americans in English and so forth. Obviously a problem when a major part of the US population is Hispanic and a lot of non-native English speakers prefer English anyway instead of their native tongue when using technology.


That's pretty bad. Combine that with the fact that it only works 80% of the time and you'll be spending a lot of time repeating stuff which can most likely be done faster with a button press.
#22dnmtPosted 11/20/2013 6:23:40 AM
Beasthunt posted...
Lol @ these post who doom something before it is even in everyones hands. This is a fine example why children should have no voice and no access to a public forum.


The people who have it now are professional game reviewers and they're having trouble so how do you think the general public will fair? Just wondering.
#23Jiggy101011Posted 11/20/2013 6:24:51 AM
Pirate Wez posted...
I lost 60 pounds using kinnect xD I wouldn't call that a fail, a system has never actually improved me as a person before, that was new,


Wow! Congrats man!
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#24favcitadelstorePosted 11/20/2013 6:38:49 AM
Regarding the voice commands, I think the biggest issue is that, the simple commands are programmed well, you can always go home, go to hulu plus, netflix app, nice and easy. But it falls short on the more complex commands, even like switching channels.

See the problem with this is, its easy to go home without using kinect, its probably faster to push a button than to 'xbox go home!'. Its functions like looking thru a list that people would really want perfected, and so far, they aren't.
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#25wskingwsPosted 11/20/2013 6:40:38 AM
I saw the ign "uncut" video and the guy literally had to repeat everything twice before it worked. It sucks but then again I'm not buying the Xbox for the kinect.
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#26Exodus_PrimePosted 11/20/2013 6:46:11 AM
Yup Kinect is a total fail.




http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/14/kinect-xbox-one


http://www.wpcentral.com/xbox-one-wins-popular-mechanics-breakthrough-award-2013
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#27SoulTrapperPosted 11/20/2013 6:50:42 AM
Exodus_Prime posted...
Yup Kinect is a total fail.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/14/kinect-xbox-one


http://www.wpcentral.com/xbox-one-wins-popular-mechanics-breakthrough-award-2013


This, ladies and gentlemen, is denial in it's purest form.

Observe closely, we only see it this pure in form at the start of each console cycle.
#28BraxSimeonPosted 11/20/2013 6:52:59 AM
SoulTrapper posted...
Exodus_Prime posted...
Yup Kinect is a total fail.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/14/kinect-xbox-one


http://www.wpcentral.com/xbox-one-wins-popular-mechanics-breakthrough-award-2013


This, ladies and gentlemen, is denial in it's purest form.

Observe closely, we only see it this pure in form at the start of each console cycle.


The general consensus from almost every review is:
The Kinect is magical in a way nothing else has done when it works, which is usually ~90+% of the time.

Regardless of what fanboys or haters or anyone else thinks, it looks like the Kinect 2.0 is probably going to end up fairly well received.
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#29SoulTrapperPosted 11/20/2013 6:56:26 AM
BraxSimeon posted...

The general consensus from almost every review is:
The Kinect is magical in a way nothing else has done when it works, which is usually ~90+% of the time.

Regardless of what fanboys or haters or anyone else thinks, it looks like the Kinect 2.0 is probably going to end up fairly well received.


That's the problem: it doesn't work 20% of the time and if you do want it to work, you have to use the exact phrases to get it to do what you want.

As posted above:

There are two distinct ways the Kinect fails, and the first feels inexcusable. Many of the voice commands are extremely rigid, to the point where you need to memorize a list of exact phrases to be able to use them reliably. If you want to go to an app, for instance, you need to start by saying "Xbox go to." But if you want to go to Bing, that structure doesn't work. The correct command is "Xbox Bing," because Microsoft expects you to unquestionably understand and accept that "Bing" should be a verb. If "Xbox on" turns on the console, why doesn't "Xbox off" turn it off? Because "Xbox turn off" is the proper command, and you’ll need to memorize it. If you’re a Redbox Instant subscriber, get used to calling it "Redbox Instant by Verizon," because the Kinect won’t accept anything less. You can't say "Xbox play Forza," you have to say "play Forza Motorsport 5." There are dozens more examples like these.


So having to memorize every command and having a 20% chance of having to repeat it more then once is going to get annoying fast.
#30BraxSimeonPosted 11/20/2013 7:05:17 AM
SoulTrapper posted...
BraxSimeon posted...

The general consensus from almost every review is:
The Kinect is magical in a way nothing else has done when it works, which is usually ~90+% of the time.

Regardless of what fanboys or haters or anyone else thinks, it looks like the Kinect 2.0 is probably going to end up fairly well received.


That's the problem: it doesn't work 20% of the time and if you do want it to work, you have to use the exact phrases to get it to do what you want.

As posted above:

There are two distinct ways the Kinect fails, and the first feels inexcusable. Many of the voice commands are extremely rigid, to the point where you need to memorize a list of exact phrases to be able to use them reliably. If you want to go to an app, for instance, you need to start by saying "Xbox go to." But if you want to go to Bing, that structure doesn't work. The correct command is "Xbox Bing," because Microsoft expects you to unquestionably understand and accept that "Bing" should be a verb. If "Xbox on" turns on the console, why doesn't "Xbox off" turn it off? Because "Xbox turn off" is the proper command, and you’ll need to memorize it. If you’re a Redbox Instant subscriber, get used to calling it "Redbox Instant by Verizon," because the Kinect won’t accept anything less. You can't say "Xbox play Forza," you have to say "play Forza Motorsport 5." There are dozens more examples like these.


So having to memorize every command and having a 20% chance of having to repeat it more then once is going to get annoying fast.


I think you should have more faith in human-kind to be able to memorize voice commands. It took like... three days for people to get used to Siri - learning commands isn't a big deal.

Even more pertinent is the fact that a 90-95% success rate is only a 20% failure to people looking for something to complain about. To the average Joe Consumer who put up with the truly horrendous accuracy of the Wii and have adapted to voice control on their smart phone, it's not going to be a big deal. Remember this is optional control - it's not going to stop anyone from doing anything, but it is going to allow people to do more than they could otherwise.

People are going to have no problem saying, "Xbox, watch TV" twice when necessary. Again, it's only going to be people trying to find issues that are going to have a big problem - most people will consider it "futurey" and then simply just work it into how they interface with their console.
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