NSA has their paws all over xbox live. Privacy fail.

#41SorbetowulfPosted 12/14/2013 9:57:59 AM
Ashuri posted...
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/11/11/ps4-usage-terms-indicate-psn-voice-and-text-monitoring/
Who's to say the NSA isn't in coop with Sony?


I just posted this term and condition in the previous page. Straight from their terms and conditions, with only non-relevant text removed. Word for word.

Of course, every time I post said terms and conditions, Sony fanboys conveniently ignore it. The last time I posted it, it was the first reply to a Sony doesn't spy thread, and the next morning the thread was deleted by original poster. Or Gamefaqs.

If it runs contradictory to their argument, they stick their heads in the sand. Convenient also the PSN privacy policy also makes room for cameras to gather visual information for their camera-based peripherals. But of course, that never gets mentioned, because it would completely take all of the piss and vinegar out of their Kinect hate-on.
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#42TheApd_ReturnsPosted 12/14/2013 9:58:03 AM
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#43zephirrainesPosted 12/14/2013 10:07:25 AM
Sorbetowulf posted...
Ashuri posted...
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/11/11/ps4-usage-terms-indicate-psn-voice-and-text-monitoring/
Who's to say the NSA isn't in coop with Sony?


I just posted this term and condition in the previous page. Straight from their terms and conditions, with only non-relevant text removed. Word for word.

Of course, every time I post said terms and conditions, Sony fanboys conveniently ignore it. The last time I posted it, it was the first reply to a Sony doesn't spy thread, and the next morning the thread was deleted by original poster. Or Gamefaqs.

If it runs contradictory to their argument, they stick their heads in the sand. Convenient also the PSN privacy policy also makes room for cameras to gather visual information for their camera-based peripherals. But of course, that never gets mentioned, because it would completely take all of the piss and vinegar out of their Kinect hate-on.


Thats what the ponies always do. They pull more 180s then MS ever has.
#44FinzFan4lifePosted 12/14/2013 10:17:31 AM
These are getting so old both major consoles have nearly identical TOS

But people carry phones with them every where. Oh it stays in your pocket is your pocket sound proof, just cause they can't see you on your phone doesn't mean they are not listening. The phone is way worse just so you kinect haters know.
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#45WartPig_Posted 12/14/2013 11:03:23 AM
Alienware4Life posted...
Who cares. I'd rather have them spy and catch the guy trying to blow me up than not spy and getting blown up going to work.


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#46_V1Posted 12/14/2013 11:45:54 AM
I hope they like my choice in porn :)
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#47archibald3Posted 12/14/2013 11:51:47 AM
The government is very concerned with whether video game nerds eat Cheetos or Fritos...start building a bomb shelter...
#48_PerfectionistPosted 12/14/2013 11:54:49 AM
zephirraines posted...
Sony is spying on you too.


No way it isn't. Unless you're living on American land.
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#49SoulTrapperPosted 12/14/2013 12:23:43 PM
Sorbetowulf posted...

I just posted this term and condition in the previous page. Straight from their terms and conditions, with only non-relevant text removed. Word for word.

Of course, every time I post said terms and conditions, Sony fanboys conveniently ignore it. The last time I posted it, it was the first reply to a Sony doesn't spy thread, and the next morning the thread was deleted by original poster. Or Gamefaqs.

If it runs contradictory to their argument, they stick their heads in the sand. Convenient also the PSN privacy policy also makes room for cameras to gather visual information for their camera-based peripherals. But of course, that never gets mentioned, because it would completely take all of the piss and vinegar out of their Kinect hate-on.


The problem is that this topic is about the NSA spying, which we know Microsoft is helping them with.

Sony does have pretty bad ToU, just as Microsoft.

But it's not because sony does something bad, that it's okay for Microsoft to do the same and even go beyond that by not only keeping all that data themselves, but also sharing it with the NSA.

You're deflecting first of all and secondly, you're trying to justify spying on people by saying another company does the same.

The reason people ignore it, is because it's a dumb argument and entirely irrelevant.
#50SorbetowulfPosted 12/14/2013 1:07:25 PM
SoulTrapper posted...
Sorbetowulf posted...

I just posted this term and condition in the previous page. Straight from their terms and conditions, with only non-relevant text removed. Word for word.

Of course, every time I post said terms and conditions, Sony fanboys conveniently ignore it. The last time I posted it, it was the first reply to a Sony doesn't spy thread, and the next morning the thread was deleted by original poster. Or Gamefaqs.

If it runs contradictory to their argument, they stick their heads in the sand. Convenient also the PSN privacy policy also makes room for cameras to gather visual information for their camera-based peripherals. But of course, that never gets mentioned, because it would completely take all of the piss and vinegar out of their Kinect hate-on.


The problem is that this topic is about the NSA spying, which we know Microsoft is helping them with.

Sony does have pretty bad ToU, just as Microsoft.

But it's not because sony does something bad, that it's okay for Microsoft to do the same and even go beyond that by not only keeping all that data themselves, but also sharing it with the NSA.

You're deflecting first of all and secondly, you're trying to justify spying on people by saying another company does the same.

The reason people ignore it, is because it's a dumb argument and entirely irrelevant.


You want to not put words in my mouth? In another topic I state that I don't condone Microsoft sharing personal information with any government agency, nor do I condone any other company doing the same.

However, Microsoft has said, publicly, that they only "help" the NSA when they are under legal obligation to do so. They've also publicly denounced the practice and said they'd prefer the government keep out affairs like this.

And further to my point, and, read this as a "defence" of MS if you will, their privacy policy says that will share personal information when they are under a legal obligation to do so, whereas Sony's privacy policy says they will disclose personal information when they feel required to do so.

Do you know what the difference between legal requirement and corporate requirement is?
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