Cliff Bleszinski Says He's Done With Disc-Based

#31elitelmoPosted 2/19/2014 9:01:41 AM
I'm all for digital when AND ONLY when:

1) Internet speeds aren't abysmal (Google Fiber speeds should be a standard)
2) Storage isn't gimped on consoles

Playing on PC, the second problem is solved for me but the first is still an issue.
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#32mfv12979Posted 2/19/2014 9:10:59 AM
The only way i can see myself going all digital is when internet speed is fast and isn't a problem. Everyone will be able to download said games fast. The monthly price is reasonable as well but that will never happen.
#33Joey-ZazaPosted 2/19/2014 9:21:36 AM
I'm all for all digital, but give it like 5 years so the world can catch up to N.A.
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#34stretch126Posted 2/19/2014 9:25:37 AM
jumbocat posted...
I wonder if developers realize that downloading 30gb+ games is not feasible for the majority of markets.


I have a long time downloading 3gb games....multiplying that by 10 means i cant play games lol
#35RybalPosted 2/19/2014 9:30:04 AM
Joey-Zaza posted...
I'm all for all digital, but give it like 5 years so the world can catch up to N.A.


Make that South Korea.
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#36schmarkenheimerPosted 2/19/2014 10:03:12 AM
With a 50Mb connection it'll still take about 30 minutes to download 10GB of data (assuming download speeds are constant of course). This is definitely not that big at all. Just looking at X1 and PS4 game sizes:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-20-all-the-xbox-one-launch-games-and-their-install-sizes

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/11/22/uk-ps4-game-download-sizes-and-higher-than-retail-playstation-store-prices-revealed/

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/172322-the-digital-download-dream-physical-media-is-here-to-stay-thanks-to-slow-internet-connections/2

And that comparison to PS3 is quite good. I'd imagine that 25GB would be quite common in a few years time and then next gen consoles may see that jump a good bit higher. Assume in 2020 it is 30GB with 100Mb download, that's still ~40 minute downloads, 45GB will be 1h. That's a conservative estimate on game size and a generous average download speed.

"Sony and Panasonic have announced plans for a successor to Blu-ray discs.

The firms say they want to develop an optical disc capable of holding at least 300 gigabytes of data by the end of 2015."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23492609

300GB optical discs in less than 2 years assuming all goes well. Reasonable assumption that Sony's next console will be able to use them I think. Travel into the early-mid 2020s, 250Mb download speed and games are 100GB, that's about an hour. With the jump in performance and 4k (assume all games now will have equivalents 4x their size just for the sake of it), I think that's fair. A little further into it, I'll take a guess at data rates of the new format (again numbers based on increases over previous and X1/PS4 6x drives). DVD is 1.39MB/s, Blu-ray is 4.5 at 1x speeds. Assume it's 3-4x that, so 13.5/18MB/s. At 4/6x speed (iirc both consoles have 6x blu-ray drives) that's 54/81 and 72/108MB/s. Slowest will install 100GB in 30 minutes, fastest in 15m. Hopefully it'll be faster than that, maybe 25MB/s and both with 8x so about 9 minutes for 100GB.
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#37RicoKillerconPosted 2/19/2014 10:22:17 AM
People also forget that yes while the entire USA is pretty much connected...like 60% of the USA still has really crappy speed for their internet because of where they live. There is also very little incentive for internet providers to waste tons of money to upgrade their network in that 60% because they wont be getting a good return like they do in near cities. Cutting off half your consumer base going all digital with huge games is stupid business decision.
#38plus1zeroPosted 2/19/2014 10:22:51 AM
GirlyPowah posted...
Yeah well most people are done with Cliffy B.


I've been done with Cliffy B since the trash called gears 2. Gears 3 redeemed itself but by then I was done.
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#39vashtrichamPosted 2/19/2014 10:23:15 AM
Cliff is easily one of the more annoying people in the industry
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#40RybalPosted 2/19/2014 12:55:19 PM
schmarkenheimer posted...
With a 50Mb connection it'll still take about 30 minutes to download 10GB of data (assuming download speeds are constant of course). This is definitely not that big at all. Just looking at X1 and PS4 game sizes:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-20-all-the-xbox-one-launch-games-and-their-install-sizes

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/11/22/uk-ps4-game-download-sizes-and-higher-than-retail-playstation-store-prices-revealed/

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/172322-the-digital-download-dream-physical-media-is-here-to-stay-thanks-to-slow-internet-connections/2

And that comparison to PS3 is quite good. I'd imagine that 25GB would be quite common in a few years time and then next gen consoles may see that jump a good bit higher. Assume in 2020 it is 30GB with 100Mb download, that's still ~40 minute downloads, 45GB will be 1h. That's a conservative estimate on game size and a generous average download speed.

"Sony and Panasonic have announced plans for a successor to Blu-ray discs.

The firms say they want to develop an optical disc capable of holding at least 300 gigabytes of data by the end of 2015."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23492609

300GB optical discs in less than 2 years assuming all goes well. Reasonable assumption that Sony's next console will be able to use them I think. Travel into the early-mid 2020s, 250Mb download speed and games are 100GB, that's about an hour. With the jump in performance and 4k (assume all games now will have equivalents 4x their size just for the sake of it), I think that's fair. A little further into it, I'll take a guess at data rates of the new format (again numbers based on increases over previous and X1/PS4 6x drives). DVD is 1.39MB/s, Blu-ray is 4.5 at 1x speeds. Assume it's 3-4x that, so 13.5/18MB/s. At 4/6x speed (iirc both consoles have 6x blu-ray drives) that's 54/81 and 72/108MB/s. Slowest will install 100GB in 30 minutes, fastest in 15m. Hopefully it'll be faster than that, maybe 25MB/s and both with 8x so about 9 minutes for 100GB.


50 Mb is definitely not standard, yet. Many places are still lucky to get 15.

However, smart downloading, i.e. play while you download such as what the PS4 does, could negate a lot of the issues with time. Not having to wait for the entire game to download and install before playing is going to make it far more likely for a digital future to be realized.
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