Phil Spencer apologizes It's better to just be direct and honest.

#31casper316Posted 3/13/2014 1:14:38 PM
Horridhal posted...
casper316 posted...
Ramsus082 posted...
They're not admitting anything. They're still trying to make it out as if the uproar was over us not understanding and being confused about their amazing vision, rather than what actually happened; the wholesale rejection from the entire industry of what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it.

They keep undermining our intelligence by saying "if only we could have made you people understand what we wanted for you, everything would have been different for us!" rather than "clearly we misjudged our fanbase and what they wanted from us, so we're sorry and we're going to try and make it up to you" and everyone here wants to eat it up because people are so attracted to an underdog story, that they'll fill in the blanks themselves.

The problem wasn't their messaging, it was their message Am I off-base?


OMG dude SONY was going to do the same thing until they seen the back lash that MS got from doing it. hell I actually applaud MS for even having the balls to even try something like that in the first place. IMHO if they would have partnered with the retailers worked something out a little better there DRM thing would have worked out, maybe not the always online thing but I would actually like some DRM where if we bought disc based games we could install the games and not have to have the discs in the system to play them. if they detected that some one else was using that same game you installed like that you took it to gamestop and sold it it would lock you out of the game, and send you to the marketplace to buy a digital key for it, DRM like that is fine and honestly that's how they should have handled it.


Got a link proving sony was instituting 24 hour DRM checks, or are you willing to admit right now you are full of it?


um the filed for a patent to prevent used games from no longer working on their consoles dip, don't believe me go look it up. and it don't take a godamn genius to watch that damn Sony press conference to see how they acted around certain things. and how fast they where so quick to start poking fun of MS, and how you noticed they didn't say anything about the price of the PS4 until after MS dropped their $500 price tag and said kinect would be included get with the program pony. Sony wanted your money and they hooked you sheep right from the start and you where to caught up in the MS crap to even notice it. I hate to break it to you kid Sony are just like MS they don't care about you, they do however care about you mommy and daddy's money.
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#32Troll_DirectoryPosted 3/13/2014 1:14:41 PM
Horridhal posted...
Got a link proving sony was instituting 24 hour DRM checks, or are you willing to admit right now you are full of it?
there will probably never be satisfying proof for sony fanatics, but they did admit that watching what happened with ms was useful to their own marketing decisions. that could mean just about anything. it could even mean they were considering similar policies. but that's just guessing. i'm of the opinion that sony wouldn't have been nearly as well-equipped to pull this off as ms (including the extra features like trading in your digital games and 10-member game sharing), and so they were more than happy to stay status quo.
#33billOrileyPosted 3/13/2014 1:15:32 PM(edited)
They fail to get the wii audience with kinnect and the all in one mutimedia strategy.Now they're now they're listening and catering to the core gamers,which i remembering them were saying that they're just Sweaty 30 Year Olds In Metallica T-shirts. Good going microsoft lol/
#34Enigma149Posted 3/13/2014 1:19:48 PM(edited)
GondolinRises posted...
SonyPonyTony posted...
Xbox employees owning up while $ony employees acting like fanboys on twitter. These companies are going in opposite ways. I'm glad MS is going the way of gamer and being mature. Props MS


Yeah going in opposite ways is true. Sony continues to dominate market share while ms loses market share. And the ms fans more than make up for ms being mature. Look at your posts. Look at all the xbone one troll posts that go unpunished here. Clearly you are being protected. It's a shame. You make this place unbearable.

Yes, clearly the Xbox One fans are the ones being protected here. Not the trolls - sorry, "perfectly innocent posters" - that come onto this board almost every single day to bash the Xbox One and anyone who doesn't despise it.

95_Eclipse posted...
People like to pretend Sony was going to do the same thing to make themselves feel better, even though they have absolutely no proof, and Sony said months before the XBO reveal they didn't have one, or any blocks on used games. It's an odd mental disorder I think.


I believe people are referring to articles like these:

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/
http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-initially-wanted-to-ship-playstation-4-with-eye-report/

And actions Sony took like these:

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/used-ps4-games-drm/
http://www.thesixthaxis.com//2013/10/16/playstation-4s-drm-locks-psn-games-to-your-account-on-other-consoles/

I'm not sure how accurate any of these are (except the last one), but none of them paint a nice picture.
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#35casper316Posted 3/13/2014 1:17:07 PM
95_Eclipse posted...
Ramsus082 posted...
casper316 posted...
Ramsus082 posted...
They're not admitting anything. They're still trying to make it out as if the uproar was over us not understanding and being confused about their amazing vision, rather than what actually happened; the wholesale rejection from the entire industry of what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it.

They keep undermining our intelligence by saying "if only we could have made you people understand what we wanted for you, everything would have been different for us!" rather than "clearly we misjudged our fanbase and what they wanted from us, so we're sorry and we're going to try and make it up to you" and everyone here wants to eat it up because people are so attracted to an underdog story, that they'll fill in the blanks themselves.

The problem wasn't their messaging, it was their message Am I off-base?


OMG dude SONY was going to do the same thing until they seen the back lash that MS got from doing it. hell I actually applaud MS for even having the balls to even try something like that in the first place. IMHO if they would have partnered with the retailers worked something out a little better there DRM thing would have worked out, maybe not the always online thing but I would actually like some DRM where if we bought disc based games we could install the games and not have to have the discs in the system to play them. if they detected that some one else was using that same game you installed like that you took it to gamestop and sold it it would lock you out of the game, and send you to the marketplace to buy a digital key for it, DRM like that is fine and honestly that's how they should have handled it.


What does Sony have to do with anything here?


People like to pretend Sony was going to do the same thing to make themselves feel better, even though they have absolutely no proof, and Sony said months before the XBO reveal they didn't have one, or any blocks on used games. It's an odd mental disorder I think.


GASP! SONY SAID THAT, REALLY? you don't think they'd lie to you sheep like they did over Killzone?
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#36casper316Posted 3/13/2014 1:19:24 PM
Enigma149 posted...
95_Eclipse posted...
People like to pretend Sony was going to do the same thing to make themselves feel better, even though they have absolutely no proof, and Sony said months before the XBO reveal they didn't have one, or any blocks on used games. It's an odd mental disorder I think.


I believe people are referring to articles like these:

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/
http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-initially-wanted-to-ship-playstation-4-with-eye-report/

And actions Sony took like these:

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/used-ps4-games-drm/
http://www.thesixthaxis.com//2013/10/16/playstation-4s-drm-locks-psn-games-to-your-account-on-other-consoles/

I'm not sure how accurate any of these are (except the last one), but none of them paint a nice picture.


oh no man sony them selves said just moments before the MS press even that they had no plan for any of that stuff didn't you just read any of that from that sony sheep..
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#3795_EclipsePosted 3/13/2014 1:24:58 PM
Enigma149 posted...
95_Eclipse posted...
People like to pretend Sony was going to do the same thing to make themselves feel better, even though they have absolutely no proof, and Sony said months before the XBO reveal they didn't have one, or any blocks on used games. It's an odd mental disorder I think.


I believe people are referring to articles like these:

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/
http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-initially-wanted-to-ship-playstation-4-with-eye-report/

And actions Sony took like these:

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/used-ps4-games-drm/
http://www.thesixthaxis.com//2013/10/16/playstation-4s-drm-locks-psn-games-to-your-account-on-other-consoles/

I'm not sure how accurate any of these are (except the last one), but none of them paint a nice picture.


Speculation click bait stuff.

Was I the only one who was already born after the PS4 reveal? Because sony tweeted and responded a number of times before the XBO reveal that they had no used games restrictions.

As for the second two.

First one, is most likely Sony just covering their own ass, since it would be commercial suicide to actually introduce used game blocks mid gen. Could also be response to the laws in EU allowing digital games to be sold/traded. We'll just have to wait and see. I'll drop PS4 support like a hot piece of metal if they introduce used game blocks.

Second one is a derp moment to compare. As it's common sense. Of course they lock games to an account on separate consoles, if they didn't one person could simply share their login data and let all their friends download their games for free, then all log in on their own accounts, so essentially 1 purchase = infinite copies.
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#38Troll_DirectoryPosted 3/13/2014 1:27:35 PM
Enigma149 posted...
I believe people are referring to articles like these:

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-initially-wanted-to-ship-playstation-4-with-eye-report/
slightly off topic, but that one should go without saying, even for the fanatics.^ the necessary electrical tape over my ps4 controller's light bar, being the unintended consequence.
#39structural98Posted 3/13/2014 1:29:43 PM
Ramsus082 posted...
They're not admitting anything. They're still trying to make it out as if the uproar was over us not understanding and being confused about their amazing vision, rather than what actually happened; the wholesale rejection from the entire industry of what they wanted to do and how they wanted to do it.

They keep undermining our intelligence by saying "if only we could have made you people understand what we wanted for you, everything would have been different for us!" rather than "clearly we misjudged our fanbase and what they wanted from us, so we're sorry and we're going to try and make it up to you" and everyone here wants to eat it up because people are so attracted to an underdog story, that they'll fill in the blanks themselves.

The problem wasn't their messaging, it was their message Am I off-base?


I think this really does sum it up as I read it. If anything the dude at least sounds a bit humbled, but this reminds me of the Clinton apology where he basically said I'm sorry I got caught instead of just saying I'm sorry I did what I did. The public outcry forced MS to change their direction, but at least they acknowledged it and changed. The bottom line is that money speaks louder than words, and right now it seems like a lot of people are saying F you MS/X1. If it really is all about the games/experience (which I think it should be), I believe things will balance out with the whole console "war". Seriously, there should be Robot Chicken episode with a console war, that would be awesome.
#4095_EclipsePosted 3/13/2014 1:33:17 PM(edited)
Btw, a article from Feb 21st 2013, prior to the XBO reveal.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-sony-tells-eurogamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

And just after that : http://www.screwattack.com/news/sony-hints-ps4-does-contain-feature-block-used-games-its-publishers-use-it

Sony saying publishers could block them if they so chose too. (which actually covers the agreement change).

Sony never changed their stance. Publishers did (or should I say, EA did) after seeing the XBO debacle.
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