Can someone explain why the Master Chief Collection is any different than TLoU?

#81kcypher2000Posted 7/23/2014 7:55:11 PM
Sabram posted...
A better comparison is God of War Saga to Master Chief Collection

Original God of War came out in 2005, Saga released in 2012 so a 7 year difference instead of 10

Contains 4 remasters as opposed to 2
Contains 5 games versus 4
No multiplayer vs strong MP focus
Both containing one of the most iconic characters to their brand
God of War 3 and Halo 4 were both heralded as some of the best graphics on consoles

Thing is, God of War Saga wasn't heavily touted as the "BIGGEST AND MOST AWESOME THING EVER" like MCC is currently being. The difference there is that Sony didnt need to rely on GoWS to sell their system, unlike MS who needs the MCC to sell Xbones. Overall aside from the no multiplayer bit, the God of War Saga is a better collection than the Halo MCC, considering EVERY game in the GoW series is included aside from the most recent (Ascension) Yet the MCC skips Reach and ODST, which a lot of people liked more than 4 and some thing Reach is the best in the series.

Of course with the games being completely different genres it's hard to compare them, but the simplest comparison to make is 5 games vs 4 in each collection.


Thats because God of War Collection and GoW 3 sold poorly. Also Sony does need the help because right now they are chasing the casual soccer mom market that was on the wii. Sony confirmed this so don't deny it.
#82SabramPosted 7/23/2014 9:31:31 PM
kcypher2000 posted...
Sabram posted...
A better comparison is God of War Saga to Master Chief Collection

Original God of War came out in 2005, Saga released in 2012 so a 7 year difference instead of 10

Contains 4 remasters as opposed to 2
Contains 5 games versus 4
No multiplayer vs strong MP focus
Both containing one of the most iconic characters to their brand
God of War 3 and Halo 4 were both heralded as some of the best graphics on consoles

Thing is, God of War Saga wasn't heavily touted as the "BIGGEST AND MOST AWESOME THING EVER" like MCC is currently being. The difference there is that Sony didnt need to rely on GoWS to sell their system, unlike MS who needs the MCC to sell Xbones. Overall aside from the no multiplayer bit, the God of War Saga is a better collection than the Halo MCC, considering EVERY game in the GoW series is included aside from the most recent (Ascension) Yet the MCC skips Reach and ODST, which a lot of people liked more than 4 and some thing Reach is the best in the series.

Of course with the games being completely different genres it's hard to compare them, but the simplest comparison to make is 5 games vs 4 in each collection.


Thats because God of War Collection and GoW 3 sold poorly. Also Sony does need the help because right now they are chasing the casual soccer mom market that was on the wii. Sony confirmed this so don't deny it.


God of War 3 sold more than God of War 2 by about a half million copies, even with the PS2 having a much, much larger install base. While I'll admit the Halo series are much larger sellers than the God of War series, it's mainly due to those with the OG Xbox having not much else to play. Third party support for it was really lacking, so when something great like the original Halo released of course it would sell huge, and those who got the first one wanted more so they got the second.

Interestingly, while a lot of folks say God of War 2 was the best one, it had the lowest total sales of the three main series games (not counting the prequels)

God of War Collection didnt sell so hot mainly because it wasnt offering anything new with it, so a lot of folks already had the games offered in it.

Oh crap... just realized i'm replying to kcypher, one of the local Sony haters. Disregard what I said, since you're going to ignore it anyway.
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#83SabramPosted 7/23/2014 9:32:48 PM
mindoftwomorons posted...
Saying they are both a cash grab isn't false, but let's not pretend they are an equal value here.


You're right, they're not equal value. The God of War Saga was a better value than buying each individual game, since it cost less than getting all five games separate. The MCC costs more than getting the 4 Halo games separate, and therefore is a lesser value.
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#84vashkeyPosted 7/23/2014 9:38:22 PM
Because it's four whole games, three of which have actually aged into actual classics, one of which is turning ten, we're getting 1080P/60FPS, Halo 2 is getting a huge graphical and audio update as well as new skulls, online co-op and terminals. the multiplayer for all games will support dedicated servers and each game's multiplayer will support online which is no small task.

For the Last of Us is JUST came out last year and all they're doing is 1080p/60fps and using the cut scene character modles in gameplay and charging premium for it. This isn't any sort of anniversary, they're just rehashing just because and the value is WAY worse and the upgrade is WAY smaller
#85vashkeyPosted 7/23/2014 9:53:21 PM
Sabram posted...
mindoftwomorons posted...
Saying they are both a cash grab isn't false, but let's not pretend they are an equal value here.


You're right, they're not equal value. The God of War Saga was a better value than buying each individual game, since it cost less than getting all five games separate. The MCC costs more than getting the 4 Halo games separate, and therefore is a lesser value.


The God of War Saga came out long after each part of that collection initially released. Each had been on the PS3 for years by the time it came out and had no enhancements. They took a bunch of games that were already cheap and stuck them in a box together.

The MCC collection enhances a bunch of older Halo title in more significant ways than the God of War saga collection and this is their initial release on the Xbox One.

So no, it's not similar at all. Maybe in a few years when it's already cheap like what was in the God of War Saga Collection THEN you might have an argument.
#86SabramPosted 7/23/2014 10:03:01 PM
vashkey posted...
Sabram posted...
mindoftwomorons posted...
Saying they are both a cash grab isn't false, but let's not pretend they are an equal value here.


You're right, they're not equal value. The God of War Saga was a better value than buying each individual game, since it cost less than getting all five games separate. The MCC costs more than getting the 4 Halo games separate, and therefore is a lesser value.


The God of War Saga came out long after each part of that collection initially released. Each had been on the PS3 for years by the time it came out and had no enhancements. They took a bunch of games that were already cheap and stuck them in a box together.

The MCC collection enhances a bunch of older Halo title in more significant ways than the God of War saga collection and this is their initial release on the Xbox One.

So no, it's not similar at all. Maybe in a few years when it's already cheap like what was in the God of War Saga Collection THEN you might have an argument.


The only game getting upgraded significantly in the MCC is Halo 2. Halo 1 was already remastered with the Anniversary edition, and listening closely to the presentation at it last E3 told me that Halo 3 and 4 weren't getting really anything done to them at all.

The God of War Saga included 2 PS2 remasters, and 2 remasters from PSP. The only game that wasnt touched at all was God of War 3. Of course, the games had ALREADY been redone and released separately ala Halo CE Anniversary, so the work was completed on all of it aside from the bundling.

Sooo, yeah. God of War Saga includes more overall work and more games than Halo MCC, and therefore is of higher value. This is just my opinion of course, as those who like FPS more will like the MCC more, as will those who are primarily multiplayer gamers, or Xbox diehards, or out and out Halo fans.

However, those who prefer heavy narratives, violence, action games, and bewbs prefer God of War Saga.
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#87vashkeyPosted 7/23/2014 10:30:22 PM
Sabram posted...
vashkey posted...
Sabram posted...
mindoftwomorons posted...
Saying they are both a cash grab isn't false, but let's not pretend they are an equal value here.


You're right, they're not equal value. The God of War Saga was a better value than buying each individual game, since it cost less than getting all five games separate. The MCC costs more than getting the 4 Halo games separate, and therefore is a lesser value.


The God of War Saga came out long after each part of that collection initially released. Each had been on the PS3 for years by the time it came out and had no enhancements. They took a bunch of games that were already cheap and stuck them in a box together.

The MCC collection enhances a bunch of older Halo title in more significant ways than the God of War saga collection and this is their initial release on the Xbox One.

So no, it's not similar at all. Maybe in a few years when it's already cheap like what was in the God of War Saga Collection THEN you might have an argument.


The only game getting upgraded significantly in the MCC is Halo 2. Halo 1 was already remastered with the Anniversary edition, and listening closely to the presentation at it last E3 told me that Halo 3 and 4 weren't getting really anything done to them at all.

The God of War Saga included 2 PS2 remasters, and 2 remasters from PSP. The only game that wasnt touched at all was God of War 3. Of course, the games had ALREADY been redone and released separately ala Halo CE Anniversary, so the work was completed on all of it aside from the bundling.

Sooo, yeah. God of War Saga includes more overall work and more games than Halo MCC, and therefore is of higher value. This is just my opinion of course, as those who like FPS more will like the MCC more, as will those who are primarily multiplayer gamers, or Xbox diehards, or out and out Halo fans.

However, those who prefer heavy narratives, violence, action games, and bewbs prefer God of War Saga.


God of War Saga came out in August in 2012. It came with the God of War Collection which came out in August 2009, a download only voucher(which expired a year after release) for God Of War: Origins Collection which came out in September 2011 and God of War 3, which originally released in March 2010.

God of War Saga was just a bundle of all of those together, which had all already been released prior and hand been out on shelves for a while. There were absolutely no enhancements for this release, these game had already been released PS3. They were all just put in the same box.

There litterally no work in that release. It had all already been done for them.

The MCC Collection includes Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary in 1080p/60fps, dedicated servers and the PC maps, Halo 2 with the Anniversarry facelift, new skulls, new terminals, 1080p/60fps, online co-op added, all dlc, PC maps and dedicated servers, Halo 3 in 1080p/60 fps, all dlc maps, Halo 4 in 1080p/60fps, all dlc and higher quality assets that didn't make it into the 360 release due to limitations of the 360 as well as 6 remiagined Halo 2 maps on a entirely new engine and the Halo 5 beta.

Unlike the God of War saga these game didn't already exist on the xbox one for years already cheap.

The original God of War Collection is a more appropriate comparison. That was the PS3 debut of God of War 1 and 2 in a collection.
#88SabramPosted 7/24/2014 1:46:21 AM
Mkay, you're fanboying, got it. Let's make this absolutely clear for you then ok?

MORE WORK OVERALL WENT INTO THE GOD OF WAR SAGA THAN THE MASTER CHIEF COLLECTION

For the God of War Saga, FOUR games were remastered. TWO from handhelds, and TWO from a console that was notorious for being hard to code for. Trophy support was added to FOUR games. Resolution and framerate were increased for FOUR games.

Now even considering the change from Halo CE to Halo Anniversary, only TWO games were remastered, with achievements added for TWO games. Two of the games were already HD capable. Halo 3 was 720p and 30fps on release, as was Halo 4. Those two are getting slight bumps in framerate and resolution, and I would hope so considering the power difference between the 360 and Xbone.

God of War 1 and 2's resolution was really low. Hell God of War 2 sported a secret "high resolution mode" that was... 480p. Let's also then not forget the resolution of the PSP was 272p.

So then the amount of work to make those games 1080p and 60fps would be much, much higher than what it took to make ANY of the Halo games that resolution. There's even an article about it.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/the-journey-to-60fps-ars-talks-god-of-war-origins-on-ps3/

Now of course adding the multiplayer to the games is a bit of work being done on the Halo games that was not done for God of War. But then again, making netcode and lobbies and what have you is something 343 has done a lot before with Halo. Honestly a lot of the net code could likely be recycled from previous entries in the series without too much alteration (no idea personally, not much experience in netcode, but seems plausible)

While yes, the God of War Saga was "a bunch of finished games slapped together" as a package, more work went into remastering those 2 PS2 and 2 PSP games than went into doing 2 OG Xbox games. I'd like to repeat my statement that if you pay close attention during the press conference at E3, you'll note that the only game being seriously redone just for this collection is Halo 2 getting the Anniversary treatment. Halos 3 and 4 will be made 1080p and 60fps, but likely have NO OTHER CHANGES.

I know this topic was made to address TLoUR vs MCC, but I still feel my comparison is more valid. I also still hold to the thought that God of War Saga was a better value at release than the MCC will be.
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#89Millertime660Posted 7/24/2014 1:52:51 AM
Sabram posted...
Mkay, you're fanboying, got it. Let's make this absolutely clear for you then ok?

MORE WORK OVERALL WENT INTO THE GOD OF WAR SAGA THAN THE MASTER CHIEF COLLECTION

For the God of War Saga, FOUR games were remastered. TWO from handhelds, and TWO from a console that was notorious for being hard to code for. Trophy support was added to FOUR games. Resolution and framerate were increased for FOUR games.

Now even considering the change from Halo CE to Halo Anniversary, only TWO games were remastered, with achievements added for TWO games. Two of the games were already HD capable. Halo 3 was 720p and 30fps on release, as was Halo 4. Those two are getting slight bumps in framerate and resolution, and I would hope so considering the power difference between the 360 and Xbone.

God of War 1 and 2's resolution was really low. Hell God of War 2 sported a secret "high resolution mode" that was... 480p. Let's also then not forget the resolution of the PSP was 272p.

So then the amount of work to make those games 1080p and 60fps would be much, much higher than what it took to make ANY of the Halo games that resolution. There's even an article about it.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/08/the-journey-to-60fps-ars-talks-god-of-war-origins-on-ps3/

Now of course adding the multiplayer to the games is a bit of work being done on the Halo games that was not done for God of War. But then again, making netcode and lobbies and what have you is something 343 has done a lot before with Halo. Honestly a lot of the net code could likely be recycled from previous entries in the series without too much alteration (no idea personally, not much experience in netcode, but seems plausible)

While yes, the God of War Saga was "a bunch of finished games slapped together" as a package, more work went into remastering those 2 PS2 and 2 PSP games than went into doing 2 OG Xbox games. I'd like to repeat my statement that if you pay close attention during the press conference at E3, you'll note that the only game being seriously redone just for this collection is Halo 2 getting the Anniversary treatment. Halos 3 and 4 will be made 1080p and 60fps, but likely have NO OTHER CHANGES.

I know this topic was made to address TLoUR vs MCC, but I still feel my comparison is more valid. I also still hold to the thought that God of War Saga was a better value at release than the MCC will be.


Regardless of all the technical stuff, either one of them is a "better value" at release depending on which game you like better.
#90SabramPosted 7/24/2014 1:55:02 AM
Actually God of War Saga would have been a literally "better value" since you get 5 games instead of 4, and more recently released titles that wouldnt have depreciated in value as much.
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