ddos'd...are we next?

#81Team_NinjaPosted 8/24/2014 1:37:56 PM
sloth927 posted...
All you need is an ip address and you can take the server down ddos is really easy wouldn't really call it a hack just someone wanted to take a network down.


Wrong. One requires advanced gadgets.
#82sloth927Posted 8/24/2014 1:41:23 PM(edited)
Team_Ninja posted...
sloth927 posted...
All you need is an ip address and you can take the server down ddos is really easy wouldn't really call it a hack just someone wanted to take a network down.


Wrong. One requires advanced gadgets.


well you need a botnet but i figured that was a given.

edit: access to a botnet doesn't really need to be yours i suppose.
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#83nableetPosted 8/24/2014 1:39:33 PM
mike468 posted...
SnuffSevenfoldX posted...
glassghost0 posted...
Xbox live is way more secure than psn

It's very unlikely

Don't forget, the entire ps3 Gen, users didn't have to pay for online so Sony didn't receive any monetary support to put in to the maintaining/security of their network

You get what you pay for


Blind fanboy alert? You can't 100% protect against DDOS...


Actually the dude who did this to PSN actually did it because of how vulnerable Sony's PSN has been and actually praised MS and XBL for the way they handle network security.

Just read the description of the video he posted on youtube about why he targeted PSN:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FamedGod

Who is a blind fanboy now?!


Sounds like the DDoS guy is ;-)
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#84kingrat2314Posted 8/24/2014 2:27:46 PM
glassghost0 posted...
nableet posted...
glassghost0 posted...
Xbox live is way more secure than psn

It's very unlikely

Don't forget, the entire ps3 Gen, users didn't have to pay for online so Sony didn't receive any monetary support to put in to the maintaining/security of their network

You get what you pay for


http://gearnuke.com/hacker-group-derp-beigns-attacking-xbox-live-brings-ddos-attack/

Derp.


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#85kingrat2314Posted 8/24/2014 2:32:22 PM
nableet posted...
mike468 posted...
SnuffSevenfoldX posted...
glassghost0 posted...
Xbox live is way more secure than psn

It's very unlikely

Don't forget, the entire ps3 Gen, users didn't have to pay for online so Sony didn't receive any monetary support to put in to the maintaining/security of their network

You get what you pay for


Blind fanboy alert? You can't 100% protect against DDOS...


Actually the dude who did this to PSN actually did it because of how vulnerable Sony's PSN has been and actually praised MS and XBL for the way they handle network security.

Just read the description of the video he posted on youtube about why he targeted PSN:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FamedGod

Who is a blind fanboy now?!


Sounds like the DDoS guy is ;-)


Was gonna say this. :^ )
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#86MasteroftheArtsPosted 8/24/2014 2:46:26 PM(edited)
Estocassassin posted...
MasteroftheArts posted...
Estocassassin posted...
This but you need many people doing it at the same time to take down anything big.


Nope. DDoS attacks can be done with one person. They're called DNS amplification attacks. They send queries via Open DNS's which accept any and all traffic that is queried from them. In combination with this, spoofed IP addresses are used, and since this is over UDP, there's no handshake to see if the IP is correct. So it's just a matter of spoofing an ip address, and querying information from a particular source by requesting the information in as large of a format as possible and you've effectively amplified the information. This could easily knock Microsoft's servers offline.

This also requires very little technical skill. Everyone thinks that botnets are required. They aren't.


DDoS can be done by one person but not to somebody like micrsoft, the main 2 ways DDoS attacks are prevented is they are either reversed on to the attacker or they limit as to how much traffic can go through one ip, this means that to cause enough traffic to bring their servers down multiple attackers will be needed or one very smart one who could bypass these systems.


Yes. The hardest part would be to get legitimate ip addresses of Microsoft's server archetecture for xbox live. Once they had that though, it doesn't matter what you try because they will continue to spam themselves with packet requests in the largest size possible. Since they're ip spoofed, that spam will actually go to the source of the ip address.

The largest DDoS attack (at the time. a larger attack used a similar method, just with NTP instead) used this exact method and was done by one person with a laptop. It resulted in a 300 gbps attack. People need to stop thinking in antiquated terms with regard to DDoS. Botnets are difficult to create and time consuming as hell.

http://threatpost.com/400-gbps-ntp-amplification-attack-alarmingly-simple
http://www.eweek.com/security/latest-100-gigabit-attack-is-one-of-internets-largest.html

The first one is scary because it was done with one person on one server.
The second one is scary because it demonstrates that hackers are capable and willing to provide 100 gbps bandwidth to denying service. When combined with the first article, you have a method of attack that some DDoS prevention companies don't think they can stop.
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#87Yunthor_HnCPosted 8/24/2014 2:44:54 PM
mike468 posted...
SnuffSevenfoldX posted...
glassghost0 posted...
Xbox live is way more secure than psn

It's very unlikely

Don't forget, the entire ps3 Gen, users didn't have to pay for online so Sony didn't receive any monetary support to put in to the maintaining/security of their network

You get what you pay for


Blind fanboy alert? You can't 100% protect against DDOS...


Actually the dude who did this to PSN actually did it because of how vulnerable Sony's PSN has been and actually praised MS and XBL for the way they handle network security.

Just read the description of the video he posted on youtube about why he targeted PSN:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FamedGod

Who is a blind fanboy now?!


You. He didn't exempt XBox, nor did he really praise Microsoft. As close as he's come to it is saying that MS has more data centers than Sony. He's still targeting XBL:

https://twitter.com/FamedGod/status/503611902334083073
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#88astutecolliePosted 8/24/2014 2:48:18 PM
LOL famedgod, what a tool. Nerds are just the worst. So embarrassing. Derp im seeking attention in my worthless life so im gonna flex real hard through this keyboard!
#89SubSeenixPosted 8/24/2014 2:49:04 PM
http://downdetector.com/status/xbox-live

Well now they or some other clowngroup is targeting XboxLive


Hope they get bored soon.
Leave gamers out of that garbage