Hey we like PS4/WiiU, why doesn't Japan like Xbox One?

#21mygoodluckcharmPosted 9/4/2014 7:48:27 PM
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Maybe because they understand quality?
iPhone is a success there, so there goes anti-american brand argument.


The Japanese dont see the iphone as just an American product, because half of the parts are manufactured in Japan. Also they would rather the iphone do well than the Korean Samsung.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sci_tech/technology/AJ201210060045


By the same argument, you could say that Xbox is chinesse product since it's component made in chinesse right?



You missed the point of the article. Its not that they see the iphone as a Japanese product,they dont. Its that by supporting the iphone , you are supporting a sector of Japanese manufacturing.


Yeah but some part of iphone is made in korea (and china) too.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

So that means by supporting iphone, they support korean manufacturing too?
#22MoreLemonPledgePosted 9/4/2014 7:50:53 PM
rafa0506 posted...
mygoodluckcharm posted...
Maybe because they understand quality?
iPhone is a success there, so there goes anti-american brand argument.


The Japanese dont see the iphone as just an American product, because half of the parts are manufactured in Japan. Also they would rather the iphone do well than the Korean Samsung.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sci_tech/technology/AJ201210060045


Where did it say they don't see it as an American product?

At the end of the day, no matter how you want to spin it, Apple is American. The Japanese have no problem buying their products.
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#23rafa0506Posted 9/4/2014 8:09:09 PM(edited)
mygoodluckcharm posted...
rafa0506 posted...
mygoodluckcharm posted...
rafa0506 posted...
mygoodluckcharm posted...
Maybe because they understand quality?
iPhone is a success there, so there goes anti-american brand argument.


The Japanese dont see the iphone as just an American product, because half of the parts are manufactured in Japan. Also they would rather the iphone do well than the Korean Samsung.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sci_tech/technology/AJ201210060045


By the same argument, you could say that Xbox is chinesse product since it's component made in chinesse right? Regardless of where it's made, I still think that iPhone is more identifiable with american company. Ordinary people won't give a crap about where it's made. They only see products as brand and I think they know that Apple is american company. Let's not forget that japanese have their own phone brand too like Sony Experia in which your argument can't explain why this phone is sold less than iPhone even though it's their national product.


The japanese phones do well in Japan. The iphone just benefited from "Japanese Fever". The Japanese love fads and when something becomes popular everyone jumps on the bandwagon. The iphone wasnt popular at first, after articles like the one I posted came out then it became popular. Why do you think Samsung one of the most popular phone companies in the world cant sell in Japan. Its because its a Korean company in direct competition with a Japanese industry. Of course it isnt black and white and there are exceptions.But the Japanese tend to trust and back products made by Japanese.


The japanese don't hate the korean as much as you might think though. Take a look, Samsung phones are second and third best selling android phone in Japan just behind sony experia.
http://www.techinasia.com/sony-market-doubles-japan-xperia/

Okay anyway, my point is MS failures in capturing japanese market does not have anything to do with any xenophobic or anti-american myth. They just failed at making a product that caters to japanese market, plain and simple.
And of course they would trust their own product, they're one of leading electronics manufaturer in the world after all. I trust and would buy their products too even though I am not japanese.


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Report-Samsungs-position-in-Japan-goes-from-bad-to-critical_id49725

I never said the Japanese hate Koreans. And your 2nd and 3rd place statitistics have nothing to do with sales according to your own article.
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#24rafa0506Posted 9/4/2014 8:19:21 PM
mygoodluckcharm posted...
rafa0506 posted...
mygoodluckcharm posted...
rafa0506 posted...
mygoodluckcharm posted...
Maybe because they understand quality?
iPhone is a success there, so there goes anti-american brand argument.


The Japanese dont see the iphone as just an American product, because half of the parts are manufactured in Japan. Also they would rather the iphone do well than the Korean Samsung.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sci_tech/technology/AJ201210060045


By the same argument, you could say that Xbox is chinesse product since it's component made in chinesse right?



You missed the point of the article. Its not that they see the iphone as a Japanese product,they dont. Its that by supporting the iphone , you are supporting a sector of Japanese manufacturing.


Yeah but some part of iphone is made in korea (and china) too.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/20/samsung-confirmed-to-be-manufacturer-of-apples-new-a7-chip-in-iphone-5s

So that means by supporting iphone, they support korean manufacturing too?


What? So what if a small percentage of the phone is manufactured in China and Korea. That is to be expected in this day in age. Now your just making specious arguments. More than half the phone is manufactured in Japan. If most of the phones parts were made in china you would have a point.
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#25rafa0506Posted 9/4/2014 8:26:34 PM
MoreLemonPledge posted...
rafa0506 posted...
mygoodluckcharm posted...
Maybe because they understand quality?
iPhone is a success there, so there goes anti-american brand argument.


The Japanese dont see the iphone as just an American product, because half of the parts are manufactured in Japan. Also they would rather the iphone do well than the Korean Samsung.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/sci_tech/technology/AJ201210060045


Where did it say they don't see it as an American product?

At the end of the day, no matter how you want to spin it, Apple is American. The Japanese have no problem buying their products.



I never said they dont see it as an American product. In fact I said they do see it as an American product. I said after articles showing that more than half the parts are manufactured in Japan then the iphone became popular in Japan.
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#26lighting_rock84Posted 9/5/2014 12:52:28 AM
I think it is because many games are cross platform that the Japanese prefer the Sony products because of how familiar they are with it. I heard that when Tales of Vesperia was released in Japan on the 360 it did pretty well, the 360 sold out in Japan.
I remember during the revel of the XB1, a lot of Japanese who heard about it said they didn't like the policies and that they would only get one if games like Tales of, IdolMaster, and the sorts were exclusive to the system and if the policies were changed.
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#27TheCyborgNinjaPosted 9/5/2014 1:13:13 AM
The west used to scoff at a lot of stuff like anime. Over time it just became accepted to a fair extent. I'm sure a sociologist could tell you a definitive reason, citing multiculturalism or something, but who knows...
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#28echa_OnePosted 9/5/2014 1:16:14 AM
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#29GRTooCoolPosted 9/5/2014 1:18:29 AM
Hate is the wrong word to use here.

They're LOYAL to their own products is the better term. It's the same with the rest of us. After all the issues Microsoft had, some people remain loyal no matter what they do.

It's not about hate, so let's stop using that word.
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#30RybalPosted 9/5/2014 7:24:34 AM
They don't buy American cars because American cars were junk for decades. It's only recently that they've improved reliability. However, that's beside the point.

On topic - the US really DOESN'T like the Wii U. Sales are horrible everywhere.

The reason that Japan isn't buying the Xbox One is the same reason it isn't buying the PS4: there are not enough games on the systems that appeal to them. PS4 initially sold well because Sony traditionally comes out with games geared towards a Japanese market, whereas MS dropped Japanese-focused games pretty early. They were also burned when a lot of them bought a 360 specifically for Vesperia, which later went to the PS3 with additional features.
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