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Why are Gen 1 & 2 beloved?

#71imdebomb2Posted 1/9/2013 6:40:27 PM
There is plenty of reason to play them.

Mew Glitch, anyone?
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#72Lord ZhouYuPosted 1/9/2013 6:41:10 PM
Gen 1 defined Pokémon; that's what Pokémon is. If Mario Galaxy didn't have Mario characters except for a cameo in some obscure place, one wouldn't call it a Mario game, would they? I'd hate to see Pokémon go Final Fantasy's route, where they changed it to be so little like it once was that they couldn't bring themselves to even call the sequal to FF: Four Warriors of Light "Final Fantasy".

Gen 2 added to it, rather than replacing it like later generations. I actually like Black and White 2 quite a bit, because it seems to "mix it up" a lot better than Ruby, Diamond, or Black 1 did as far as species available.

Also, harping against nostalgia is more tiresome and overdone than ranting against new stuff.

On top of all that, I didn't grow up playing newer Pokémon games, I grew up playing older ones. I don't focus my life on video games anymore; I'm a psychologically matured adult who works and relaxes, and who doesn't have time for absorbing creativity or developing attachments to fictional settings anymore, as much as I'd love to. I'll never forget the things that Kanto and Johto represent or the events of my life that occured around their time frame, while I can't be bothered to remember a single town name from Gen 3 or 4; it's not that they're "not good", I just don't have anything to do with it.
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#73TheCoolzPosted 1/9/2013 6:42:11 PM
TruePowerSeeker posted...
DarkDragon386 posted...
And the problem with the genwunners in this topic is no one is saying that Gen 1 and 2 aren't important or classics. They don't age well at all, especially with remakes.


Yeah after Fire Red/Leaf Green and Soul Silver/Heart Gold came there was no real reason to play the old ones. You got the same experience with better mechanics.


Not exactly the same experience. For some people, playing FR / LG was another Pokemon entry to their lives. For others, R/B/Y may be their very first Pokemon game and opens a completely new experience. So it might be comparable to introducing Gen 6 to a person who has never tried it at all before.
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#74TruePowerSeekerPosted 1/9/2013 6:42:26 PM
imdebomb2 posted...
There is plenty of reason to play them.

Mew Glitch, anyone?


Now to purposefully see old glitches is an actual reason but doesn't make it better in any way. Just a quick laugh and nostalgia trip then back to the more advanced games.
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#75imdebomb2Posted 1/9/2013 6:44:01 PM
Lord ZhouYu posted...
Gen 1 defined Pokémon; that's what Pokémon is. If Mario Galaxy didn't have Mario characters except for a cameo in some obscure place, one wouldn't call it a Mario game, would they? I'd hate to see Pokémon go Final Fantasy's route, where they changed it to be so little like it once was that they couldn't bring themselves to even call the sequal to FF: Four Warriors of Light "Final Fantasy".

Gen 2 added to it, rather than replacing it like later generations. I actually like Black and White 2 quite a bit, because it seems to "mix it up" a lot better than Ruby, Diamond, or Black 1 did as far as species available.

Also, harping against nostalgia is more tiresome and overdone than ranting against new stuff.

On top of all that, I didn't grow up playing newer Pokémon games, I grew up playing older ones. I don't focus my life on video games anymore; I'm a psychologically matured adult who works and relaxes, and who doesn't have time for absorbing creativity or developing attachments to fictional settings anymore, as much as I'd love to. I'll never forget the things that Kanto and Johto represent or the events of my life that occured around their time frame, while I can't be bothered to remember a single town name from Gen 3 or 4; it's not that they're "not good", I just don't have anything to do with it.


You are my new favorite user ever. At least on a PKM forum, anyways.
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#76imdebomb2Posted 1/9/2013 6:45:18 PM
TruePowerSeeker posted...
imdebomb2 posted...
There is plenty of reason to play them.

Mew Glitch, anyone?


Now to purposefully see old glitches is an actual reason but doesn't make it better in any way. Just a quick laugh and nostalgia trip then back to the more advanced games.


Good luck legitimately catching that Celebi, or Deoxys, or any Legendary beyond. You only wish you're games had such awesome and exploitable glitches.
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#77ShadowMario3Posted 1/9/2013 6:45:43 PM
Nostalgia, and the fact that Pokemon was much more popular back then as opposed to now, where it was seen as normal to like it. Also, Stadium 1 and 2 are arguably better than Colosseum/XD/Colosseum without nostalgia goggles.
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#78TehTrumpCardPosted 1/9/2013 6:48:47 PM
I keep my nostalgia goggles off even when I' trying to talk about my favorite Gen, Gen 2. I know it's flawed, just like any other generation.

At the same time if you're saying things about Gen 2 without knowing them or saying Gen _ is better than Gen _ because this was fixed when it really wasn't. I won't be afraid to call you out.
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#79mjc0961Posted 1/9/2013 6:50:40 PM
SlimeStack posted...
Gen 1 is bad in the sense that it doesn't benefit from the many, many improvements and fixes the games received over the years.

Gen 2 is bad in kinda the same way, but we can't forget how small Johto and Kanto are in that game, with the bad level balance, lack of story, etc.


This. Anyone who tells you that Gen 1 and 2 are untouchable are full of s***. Gen 2 itself proves that Gen 1 isn't untouchable. If Gen 1 wasn't untouchable, Gen 2 wouldn't have done things like introduce Dark and Steel to fix how utterly unbalanced and broken Psychic types were in Gen 1 and wouldn't have given you a better bag to fix Gen 1's s*** inventory system.

And Gen 2 isn't untouchable either. Why are so many of the new pokemon useless? Like Sneasel. Let's make it Ice and Dark, two types that are special attacks, and give it a completely useless special attack stat and really high attack stat so it can't do a goddamn thing. If Gen 2 was untouchable, Gen 4 wouldn't have fixed that problem. Why are there so many events limited to a specific DAY and TIME?! To f*** over people with lives who can't play 24/7? If Gen 2 was untouchable, Gen 3 wouldn't have fixed that problem. Why is Johto so small and Kanto so barren? If gen 2 was untouchable, Gen 4's remakes wouldn't have tried to fix that problem (but still failed because oh you added a Safari Zone and a few small event only areas, big f***ing deal. both regions are still empty as s***).
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#80mjc0961Posted 1/9/2013 6:51:43 PM
TehTrumpCard posted...
I keep my nostalgia goggles off even when I' trying to talk about my favorite Gen, Gen 2. I know it's flawed, just like any other generation.

At the same time if you're saying things about Gen 2 without knowing them or saying Gen _ is better than Gen _ because this was fixed when it really wasn't. I won't be afraid to call you out.


Aren't you the guy who said gen 3 improved nothing over gen 2? Yeah, if you are, you have your nostalgia goggles permanently implanted over your eyes. You cannot remove them.
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