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2 years ago#1
Okay, so I get that he has a quad weakness to stealth rock, but are you going to tell me Ho-Oh is also terrible because of that? Plus, just have a pokemon with rapid spin support.

Aside from that, he has immunity to ground type moves, a high Sp. Attack and speed, and he has access to Belly Drum and Solar Power. And like most Fire types, he can learn solar beam.

So what is so terrible about Charizard?
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2 years ago#2
iKhanic posted...
Okay, so I get that he has a quad weakness to stealth rock


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2 years ago#3
beause he is overrated s*** & is terrible.

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2 years ago#4
It isn't that he is TERRIBLE (aside from the massive, glaring flaw that you downplay), it's more that a lot of Pokemon can do his job easier, better and without support.
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2 years ago#5
Ho-oh has godly stats, a larger movepool and a lovely signature move (plus Regenerator) to help make up for its 4x weakness to Rock.
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2 years ago#6
First, the Stealth Rock weakness is a big liability.

Second, Ho-oh has much better stats, Regenerator, etc. that make it a very different beast.

Third, Belly Drum is incredibly risky, particularly for Charizard.

Fouth, SolarBeam is iffy even with sun.
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2 years ago#7
I wouldn't say that Charizard is terrible, but I would say that he can't really fight on his own. Plus, with Belly Drum and Solar Power, he could also become very fragile, and Stealth Rock is insult to injury.

Charizard needs Pokemon like Ninetales and Starmie who can cover up Charizard's strengths and weaknesses with things like Sunny Day/Drought and Rapid Spin respectively, and you have to make sure that you don't make any dumb mistakes with Zard, or else he can get hurt badly.

In the end, Charizard can be a beast, he just needs the proper care. I'm not the biggest person at competitive play, but there's my two cents.
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2 years ago#8
Well, consider I am a Charizard fan. However:

-Charizard doesn't have Recover, Ho-Oh does.
-Ho-Oh's stats vastly surpass those of Charizard.
-If your HP is already at 50%, you can't use Belly Drum.
-If Charizard has Solar Power, it can't have Belly Drum (it's an egg move, and Dream World abilities can only be passed by a female, while all DW starters are male).
-With Solar Power, Charizard loses HP every turn in the sun and has no means of recovering energy except Rest, which won't help matters when your opponent launches a Rock type attack.
2 years ago#9
Okay, then what about Volcarona, it has quad weakness to stealth rock (in addition to being particularly ugly), but its in OU.

And again, why doesn't rapid spin support fix that?
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2 years ago#10
MagikarpRules posted...
Well, consider I am a Charizard fan. However:

-Charizard doesn't have Recover, Ho-Oh does.
-Ho-Oh's stats vastly surpass those of Charizard.
-If your HP is already at 50%, you can't use Belly Drum.
-If Charizard has Solar Power, it can't have Belly Drum (it's an egg move, and Dream World abilities can only be passed by a female, while all DW starters are male).
-With Solar Power, Charizard loses HP every turn in the sun and has no means of recovering energy except Rest, which won't help matters when your opponent launches a Rock type attack.


He gets Roost.
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