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What if Soak did this? + more ideas for move changes

#1Decon082Posted 3/20/2013 7:48:53 AM
First of all, if you use Soak on a Pokemon like a Geodude, it does no damage. You would think Soak should at least do quite a bit of damage to things Water is super-effective against. So here's what I had thought of.

40 Power
100 Accuracy


Effect: Changes the target's secondary type to Water. If the target only has one type, adds Water as a secondary type. If the target is a pure Water type or has Water as its secondary type, no effect occurs. If the target is dual-typed with Water as its primary type, the target becomes a pure Water type.

Examples:
When used on a Pikachu, Pikachu takes damage, and becomes Electric/Water.
When used on that Pikachu again, Pikachu takes damage, and no effect occurs.
When used on a Bulbasaur, Bulbasaur takes damage, and loses its Poison type to become Grass/Water.
When used on a Psyduck, Psyduck takes damage, and no effect occurs.
When used on a Wooper, Wooper takes damage, and loses its Ground type to become pure Water.

I'm probably thinking too hard into this, but what do you guys think? Too gimmicky? Or would it make the move more useful?

Also feel free to come up with your own changes to moves like this one.
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#2ninjarauiPosted 3/20/2013 7:54:41 AM
You contradict your own rule in the Pikachu/ Wooper example. If pika is to be considered a water electric, then that means on the second use he should become pure water.

Just cut out the middle man, add damage to the move and leave it at that.
#3Decon082(Topic Creator)Posted 3/20/2013 7:59:15 AM
ninjaraui posted...
You contradict your own rule in the Pikachu/ Wooper example. If pika is to be considered a water electric, then that means on the second use he should become pure water.

Just cut out the middle man, add damage to the move and leave it at that.


No, it would add a secondary type of Water. Then the effect would fail on the second use because Water is its secondary type.
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#4NessEggmanPosted 3/20/2013 8:05:07 AM
I like the idea of it doing damage, but the "replacing secondary type/overriding secondary type when water is primary type" thing is not good. It's way too complicated and doesn't really make sense. I like having them just becoming pure water type.

I would even be fine if it just did 25 or 30 base damage. Or even like 20 base damage lol.
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#5Decon082(Topic Creator)Posted 3/20/2013 8:08:58 AM
NessEggman posted...
I like the idea of it doing damage, but the "replacing secondary type/overriding secondary type when water is primary type" thing is not good. It's way too complicated and doesn't really make sense. I like having them just becoming pure water type.

I would even be fine if it just did 25 or 30 base damage. Or even like 20 base damage lol.


Yeah, maybe a bit too complicated. It could be useful for doubles though, because your partner could keep its primary STAB instead of losing it with the way the move works now. Which is why low power would be important. Maybe lower it down to 30 for this use?
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#6IrisVilePosted 3/20/2013 8:11:40 AM
Also if Wooper had Water Absorb it would have no effect...
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#7zane0144Posted 3/20/2013 8:13:41 AM
ninjaraui posted...
You contradict your own rule in the Pikachu/ Wooper example. If pika is to be considered a water electric, then that means on the second use he should become pure water.

Just cut out the middle man, add damage to the move and leave it at that.


No, he didn't Wooper's secondary type is ground and it's primary type is water. He already explained that if that in that scenario the pokemon would just become pure water. With no secondary type.

Pikachu would be Electric/Water with Electric being primary and Water being secondary. Since his version of the move only affects the secondary type nothing would change.
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#8Decon082(Topic Creator)Posted 3/20/2013 8:19:12 AM
IrisVile posted...
Also if Wooper had Water Absorb it would have no effect...


Right, but against Water/Ground Pokemon without Water Absorb, it's main use would be to get rid of an immunity. Honestly I'm not sure, but does Soak work on dual Water types with its current mechanics?
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