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Why is charizard liked?

#61XerainPosted 4/15/2013 11:01:08 PM
Back when Pokemon first came out, Pikachu was the face of the series for those participating in the fad. However Charizard was the face of the series for people who actually played it. He was the face on the box. So why not Blastoise then? Because statistically red is the most popular color among young boys in the US, with blue the second most popular color. Also Dragon or Turtle? Which would most people pick?

In gen 1, if you picked Charmander, the beginning of the story was stacked against it, but it ripped apart the end game. Thus Charizard was the informed choice made by players who knew how to play video games, recognized pokemon as a RPG with some nice depth to it, and were making long term plans to beat it. As opposed to the casual players who couldn't get passed the 3rd gym because Surge was electric and killed their wartortle and their pidgey.

So in short, back in Gen 1 Charizard was the emblem of the actual pokemon gamers. For those who have been playing since Gen 1 (or even Gen 2, when he first got Belly Drum), Charizard holds a powerful nostalgic factor.
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#62iKhanicPosted 4/15/2013 11:21:52 PM
Xerain posted...
Back when Pokemon first came out, Pikachu was the face of the series for those participating in the fad. However Charizard was the face of the series for people who actually played it. He was the face on the box. So why not Blastoise then? Because statistically red is the most popular color among young boys in the US, with blue the second most popular color. Also Dragon or Turtle? Which would most people pick?

In gen 1, if you picked Charmander, the beginning of the story was stacked against it, but it ripped apart the end game. Thus Charizard was the informed choice made by players who knew how to play video games, recognized pokemon as a RPG with some nice depth to it, and were making long term plans to beat it. As opposed to the casual players who couldn't get passed the 3rd gym because Surge was electric and killed their wartortle and their pidgey.

So in short, back in Gen 1 Charizard was the emblem of the actual pokemon gamers. For those who have been playing since Gen 1 (or even Gen 2, when he first got Belly Drum), Charizard holds a powerful nostalgic factor.


Add to that the fact that in the Anime, Charmander was one of Ash's most used pokemon, and Charizard was often portrayed as Ash's most powerful pokemon. So kids who started with the anime and later played the games also liked Charizard. Plus Fire is a generally popular element, although Water is surprisingly well liked as well. I remember when I was a kid that much to my dismay, Blastoise was also a big fan favorite. No love for Venusaur though :(.
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#63EpsteinBarrPosted 4/16/2013 10:14:48 AM
More like why wouldn't Charizard be liked? He's the original fire breathing dragon in the Pokemon world.
#64Grammar_manPosted 4/19/2013 2:22:31 AM
iKhanic posted...

A decent speed boosting move would be nice too, but it's really not what's keeping Charizard back.


It kinda does. Charizard is missing the so called "all-important 101 speed". He's 1 short, and that's a vital speed to reach. It's a lesser issue for Zard than SR and SP Damage, but still quite worthy of mention.

I'm not saying it's terrible, but that extra 8 speed on Infernape is pretty vital.

Also...

76/71/71 vs 78/78/85 isn't really that massive a difference in bulk(espescially when considering Solar Power). Both are still mons made of paper, made for destroying things, not weathering them. Sure- it is an advantage in bulk, but still frail even with it.

Just saying.
#65Bushido20Posted 4/19/2013 4:59:56 AM
Khemikooligan posted...
Because he is the greatest pokemon design there will ever be and nothing can ever change that.


This. He does look pretty badass. Him and Salamence are the epitome of dragon type pokes.
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#66sonic2307Posted 4/19/2013 5:27:19 AM
Grammar_man posted...
iKhanic posted...

A decent speed boosting move would be nice too, but it's really not what's keeping Charizard back.


It kinda does. Charizard is missing the so called "all-important 101 speed". He's 1 short, and that's a vital speed to reach. It's a lesser issue for Zard than SR and SP Damage, but still quite worthy of mention.

I'm not saying it's terrible, but that extra 8 speed on Infernape is pretty vital.

Also...

76/71/71 vs 78/78/85 isn't really that massive a difference in bulk(espescially when considering Solar Power). Both are still mons made of paper, made for destroying things, not weathering them. Sure- it is an advantage in bulk, but still frail even with it.

Just saying.

Just look at Garchomp. He has 102 speed, just enough to outspeed Salamence, Celebi, Mew and yes Charizard etc. If only Charizard gets Speed Boost....
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#67Grammar_manPosted 4/19/2013 11:03:33 AM
Bushido20 posted...
Khemikooligan posted...
Because he is the greatest pokemon design there will ever be and nothing can ever change that.


This. He does look pretty badass. Him and Salamence are the epitome of dragon type pokes.


I still want a proper "european" dragon. As in a heraldic one.
#68dadkwasherePosted 4/19/2013 11:09:35 AM(edited)
Because childhood.
I'm 22 years old and have been playing pokemon since red and blue came out, what do you expect?

Unless you are actually still a teenager who joined in a later generation, you HAVE to understand people like this pokemon solely for that reason.

EDIT: I just read your sig, TC. That explains so much.
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#69Milox3Posted 4/19/2013 11:38:33 AM
oh this is about non-style
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#70Human-BeanPosted 4/19/2013 1:55:07 PM
iKhanic posted...
Runeboggle posted...
From: iKhanic | #006
1. He doesn't have crappy stats. He's one of the fastest fire types in the game.

That's like saying Ninjask doesn't have crappy stats because it's one of the fastest Bug-types in the game.


Ninjask's only good stat is speed. That's different. Charizard has good Sp. Atk, decent bulk, acceptable attack, and is fast for a Fire-type.


Charizard is easily beaten, his bulk maybe decent in comparison to a Pokémon such as Sunkern but, compared to other viable Pokémon; it is mediocre. His typing makes him less desirable, if that's possible, 4x Rock, 2x Water and, Electricity weaknesses hampers its ability to be useful in a battle due to these common weaknesses. It lacks synergy with other Pokémon. Apart from killing bug types he cannot do anything that distinguishes it from the others. Another glaring problem is his movepool; however wide it may be it doesn't benefit much from it, he may have several useful fire moves but, his lack of a powerful Flying move further degrades his usefulness. It may have access to an average special attack stat but, the moves within its arsenal do not capitalise on it, they are inclined to the physical side of the spectrum. Charizard cannot abuse Dragon Dance or, Swords Dance in tandem with Dragon Claw due to its pathetic Attack stat for a sweeper. There is a plethora of capable Pokémon who are able to accomplish this task. With the introduction of Stealth Rock Charizard has cemented its place as a Pokémon that cannot be relied upon. In theory Roost could negate the damage and, part of its Rock weakness but, this has never been proven as it will die; its demise is inevitable. If you do manage to achieve a successful Roost you should note that your opponent is pathetic as are you, for using Charizard. The only redeeming quality about Charizard is its efforts in helping the Pokémon franchise to enter the heart of millions at the peak of the series popularity.
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