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3 years ago#1
And not how good a pokemon is? Because there are plenty of pokemon in uu, like hitmontop can hold their own in ou. In fact, technician fake out sucker punch life orb hitmontop is an amazing lead.
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3 years ago#2
I think they're based on how good something is.
Some of the stuff in Uber isn't used much, but is too good for OU.
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3 years ago#3
Nah, Stealth Rock. :)
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3 years ago#4
If it was based on how good they were, there would be endless debates. Pokemon are just too varied to judge easily, so usage is the best way to do it. If you disagree with a tier placement...go out and prove it's better.
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3 years ago#5
Everything is based on usage except for the banlist tiers like Uber and BL
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3 years ago#6
kirbydude385 posted...
Everything is based on usage except for the banlist tiers like Uber and BL


This.

Though, generally, usage stats themselves are indicative of how good something is in the context of the metagame, so...yeah.
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3 years ago#7
Xavier_On_High posted...
kirbydude385 posted...
Everything is based on usage except for the banlist tiers like Uber and BL


This.

Though, generally, usage stats themselves are indicative of how good something is in the context of the metagame, so...yeah.


Yup, you can see in this thread how OU is determined and where the cutoff is, for example:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3481670
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3 years ago#8
LightningAce11 posted...
And not how good a pokemon is? Because there are plenty of pokemon in uu, like hitmontop can hold their own in ou. In fact, technician fake out sucker punch life orb hitmontop is an amazing lead.


1. Yes
2. I wouldn't put much stock in which pokemon is in what tier. (Nobody good uses Ambipom in UU for example)
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3 years ago#9
PK_Gaming posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
And not how good a pokemon is? Because there are plenty of pokemon in uu, like hitmontop can hold their own in ou. In fact, technician fake out sucker punch life orb hitmontop is an amazing lead.


1. Yes
2. I wouldn't put much stock in which pokemon is in what tier. (Nobody good uses Ambipom in UU for example)


That's a rather polarizing statement. Ambipom is more a one trick pony but a person with good skillset could make the gimmick work..
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3 years ago#10
IrisVile posted...
PK_Gaming posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
And not how good a pokemon is? Because there are plenty of pokemon in uu, like hitmontop can hold their own in ou. In fact, technician fake out sucker punch life orb hitmontop is an amazing lead.


1. Yes
2. I wouldn't put much stock in which pokemon is in what tier. (Nobody good uses Ambipom in UU for example)


That's a rather polarizing statement. Ambipom is more a one trick pony but a person with good skillset could make the gimmick work..

My point was that tiers don't necessarily represent how good a Pokemon is.

As for Ambipom... it's not "terrible", but I doubt anyone would seriously use it in a tournament environment
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