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I'm tired of this old formula

#11KapuxaPosted 5/3/2013 5:32:00 PM
ThatKipp posted...
SMT=/=Pokemon

If you want to play SMT, play SMT
If you want to play Pokemon, play Pokemon
If you're tired of the old formula, then stop playing


This
#12F1areaGamanPosted 5/3/2013 5:32:26 PM
RingsOfUranus posted...
F1areaGaman posted...
Pokemon is a handheld game. It's designed to be played on toilets, in Subways, at grandma's etc.

The mechanics are based around this fact. The games are just so good (They actually are extremely well designed RPGS) that most people will sit and grind home alone sometimes, before bed, when they should be studying, etc.

But Pokemon, at least the core series, as long as it remains on handheld,will always play similar to this.

I'm not saying it's impossible that there won't be a typical Console RPG Pokemon game and it's actually likely Nintendo will eventually release a Pokemon MMO but this type of Pokemon game isn't going anywhere.


Well this is without a shadow of a doubt, the worst marketing understanding in the history of Earth.


I didn't talk about marketing at all in my post....
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#13shadyelfPosted 5/3/2013 5:33:28 PM
they should make a pokemon dota game for those who want more action. Probably closer to LoL than dota because pokemon abilities= champion passive.
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#14MephilasPosted 5/3/2013 5:47:02 PM
TOO BAD.

If you like Shin Megami Tensei so much, shut up, stop playing pokemon, and go play that. Otherwise, deal with it.

Pokemon is pokemon for a reason: the distinct style of training and battling animals against each other is what makes the game. Would you rather have this hybridized with that other game and then the result is a horrid version of that game? (case in point, see Zelda 2. Good Zelda game, TERRIBLE platformer). Didn't think so.

Get over it.
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#15HodouPosted 5/3/2013 6:03:54 PM
Kasada posted...
If for whatever reason Nintendo heard my wishes, Pokemon would look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0K1z294p4yc#t=462s

See this? See how fast paced these battles are? See how I can actually use half of my team in a fight so I can mess around with team mechanics instead of playing rock paper scissors? Hear this rockin' music? THIS is what I want!

I'm sure I'll get some kind of response like "Then play that. Pokemon is a completely different series and it has traditions." The problem is that I actually like the pokemon universe. I like the pokemon designs, I like the mechanics, I just can't stand the static, slow battle system and the grind fest gameplay. I want to be able to win fights through planning and strategy that isn't as simple as having a fast pokemon with a super effective type move at a decent level. Heck, for me to feel like I'm playing intelligently nowadays in pokemon, I have to be playing a whole Baton Pass team, and that's barely viable.

I just want some new life in this series so I can enjoy it again. I don't expect it to change anytime soon, but I can dream.


--tries to point out how Pokemon should take cues from SMT
--uses one of the worst games in the series to prove his point

slow clap
#16NessEggmanPosted 5/3/2013 6:13:24 PM
You're wanting to play competitive doubles/triples. Which exists in Pokemon. It's not part of the single-player experience, but IMO the single player experience is not about strategy and exciting battles, but it's more about a feeling of travel/adventure with Pokemon. The battles are actually kind of... just there to give you a reason to do all that.

Sadly, the metagame is still so focused on boring and low-strategy single battles that you won't be able to find much of a community for doubles/triples. It exists, but it's not nearly as developed as the singles community, even though singles is the least strategic and most boring way to play.
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#17HodouPosted 5/3/2013 6:18:30 PM
NessEggman posted...
You're wanting to play competitive doubles/triples. Which exists in Pokemon. It's not part of the single-player experience, but IMO the single player experience is not about strategy and exciting battles, but it's more about a feeling of travel/adventure with Pokemon. The battles are actually kind of... just there to give you a reason to do all that.

Sadly, the metagame is still so focused on boring and low-strategy single battles that you won't be able to find much of a community for doubles/triples. It exists, but it's not nearly as developed as the singles community, even though singles is the least strategic and most boring way to play.


Except, yknow, not. And opinions, and all that.

Personally I see a mode where every Pokemon uses Protect every other turn and the entire metagame is spamming gimmicks and AoE moves as FAR worse/less strategic/more boring than singles.
#18westontickleePosted 5/3/2013 6:56:15 PM
Hodou posted...
Kasada posted...
If for whatever reason Nintendo heard my wishes, Pokemon would look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0K1z294p4yc#t=462s

See this? See how fast paced these battles are? See how I can actually use half of my team in a fight so I can mess around with team mechanics instead of playing rock paper scissors? Hear this rockin' music? THIS is what I want!

I'm sure I'll get some kind of response like "Then play that. Pokemon is a completely different series and it has traditions." The problem is that I actually like the pokemon universe. I like the pokemon designs, I like the mechanics, I just can't stand the static, slow battle system and the grind fest gameplay. I want to be able to win fights through planning and strategy that isn't as simple as having a fast pokemon with a super effective type move at a decent level. Heck, for me to feel like I'm playing intelligently nowadays in pokemon, I have to be playing a whole Baton Pass team, and that's barely viable.

I just want some new life in this series so I can enjoy it again. I don't expect it to change anytime soon, but I can dream.


--tries to point out how Pokemon should take cues from SMT
--uses one of the worst games in the series to prove his point

slow clap


Troll post. Nothing to see here
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#19HodouPosted 5/3/2013 7:05:50 PM
westonticklee posted...
Hodou posted...
Kasada posted...
If for whatever reason Nintendo heard my wishes, Pokemon would look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0K1z294p4yc#t=462s

See this? See how fast paced these battles are? See how I can actually use half of my team in a fight so I can mess around with team mechanics instead of playing rock paper scissors? Hear this rockin' music? THIS is what I want!

I'm sure I'll get some kind of response like "Then play that. Pokemon is a completely different series and it has traditions." The problem is that I actually like the pokemon universe. I like the pokemon designs, I like the mechanics, I just can't stand the static, slow battle system and the grind fest gameplay. I want to be able to win fights through planning and strategy that isn't as simple as having a fast pokemon with a super effective type move at a decent level. Heck, for me to feel like I'm playing intelligently nowadays in pokemon, I have to be playing a whole Baton Pass team, and that's barely viable.

I just want some new life in this series so I can enjoy it again. I don't expect it to change anytime soon, but I can dream.


--tries to point out how Pokemon should take cues from SMT
--uses one of the worst games in the series to prove his point

slow clap


Troll post. Nothing to see here


Oh yeah, because Nocturne, possibly the most grind-heavy and luck based game in the series, is TOTALLY better than SMT2, Devil Survivor, all four Personas, etc. etc...
#20HodouPosted 5/3/2013 7:06:16 PM
EDIT: *five Personas