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Is there 1 'mon who can counter both Gyrados and Heatran that work on a sun team

#1Whats_Up4444Posted 6/13/2013 11:30:19 PM
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Ninetales @ Leftovers
Trait: Drought
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Sp.Def / 136 Spe
Timid Nature
-Flametrower
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roar
-Sunny Day



Queen Lilly (Lilligant) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Chlorophyll
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Giga Drain
- Quiver Dance
- Sleep Powder
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Espeon (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Morning Sun
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Grass Knot

This set is to be a good attacker, coverage, a entry hazard counter, and to take them out. With Ferrothorn ans Donphan in mind.


Arcanine (M) @ Grass Gem
Trait: Flash Fire EVs:
252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Flamethrower
- SolarBeam
- Morning Sun
- Sunny Day


Volcarona (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Flame Body
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fiery Dance
- Hidden Power [Electric]

Vol with HP is my only and unreliable counter for Gyaradaos. Might switch it Giga Drain after I get a good Gyarados and Heatran counter.
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#2RTC3Posted 6/13/2013 11:40:58 PM
porygon z
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#3RTC3Posted 6/13/2013 11:41:05 PM
*2
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#4MightyRevenantPosted 6/13/2013 11:42:59 PM
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#5RTC3Posted 6/13/2013 11:43:30 PM
i've never touched a sun team in my life but from what i gather if you don't have venusaur, you're doing it wrong
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#6Whats_Up4444(Topic Creator)Posted 6/13/2013 11:58:23 PM
RTC3 posted...
i've never touched a sun team in my life but from what i gather if you don't have venusaur, you're doing it wrong


Earthquake damage.

I got this huge near flawless strategy that needs Lilligant.

One, Lilligant outspeeds and Outdamages Venusaur. Only thing Venusaur has is its defenses and possible mix set, also move pool.

But Lilligant is faster and stronger and can take a Earthquake like a champ.

Also OHKOes most dragons with HP Ice.

Also baits fire attacks for Flash Fire.

And nobody expects Lilligant to sweep so people attempt to just set up on Lilligant, and fail.

So no, I'm not wrong.
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#7trinityEDGEPosted 6/14/2013 12:01:47 AM(edited)
A Pokemon that can handle Water, Flying, Ice, Fire, Ground, Grass (Situational), Rock (Situational), can stop/revenge Moxie/DD Gyarados and break through Heatran? That doesn't exist in one Pokemon.

And you should remove Arcanine. It doesn't do anything for the team, and just compounds weaknesses. Donphan would be okay for priority Ice Shard, a physical pivot, and rapid spin, which would be a saving grave for this team so that Ninetales would have a better shot at winning weather wars and Volcarona isn't neutered when it switches in.
#8Whats_Up4444(Topic Creator)Posted 6/14/2013 12:00:02 AM
RTC3 posted...
porygon z


RTC3 posted...
*2


MightyRevenant posted...
1*


Still confused.

Which is better? And who makes a better Gyarados+Heatran counter.

What are its best sets against those two?
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#9MrFingers07Posted 6/14/2013 12:03:17 AM
Umm, Rotom-W? I've seen some Rotom-W on sun before.

Volt Switch
Hydro Pump (incase of other weather and such)
Sunny Day
Pain Split/HP Fire/WoW

ScarfTerrakion is a decent check to both mons and can help against sand.
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#10RTC3Posted 6/14/2013 12:06:27 AM
not gonna comment about lilligant and venu since i'm not familiar with sun teams

P2 has an ability called trace. it copies the opponent's ability. P2 switching in on gyarados gives it -1 attack unless it's moxie. It gets flash fire against heatran.

P2@lefties
252 hp 252 def 4spdef
bold
-thunderbolt/discharge
-ice beam
-recover
-toxic/filler

it's a defensive mon and not really that great imo but i saw your topic title and it came to mind
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