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Close Combat should be nerfed

#1TorchicBlazikenPosted 6/21/2013 4:30:41 PM
Close Combat is too good of a move. The Defense drops are not a good drawback because its users already have low defenses to begin with and if they are fast or use a Choice Scarf it doesn't even matter. Instead of lowering defenses, it should just be a recoil move.

Submission also needs a buff, because it has mediocre power and terrible accuracy. I think it should be a Fighting-type Head Smash.
#2AnaTheCatPosted 6/21/2013 4:34:55 PM
How about they buff other attacks to not suck?
#3ClassyOldHatPosted 6/21/2013 5:20:41 PM
AnaTheCat posted...
How about they buff other attacks to not suck?


We don't need more Power Creep. I was happy with the days when Brick Break was the Best fighting move. Kept things balanced. Now you basically see Close Combat everywhere, which really speaks volume about how bad it's "downside" is.
#4petemidnight13Posted 6/21/2013 7:37:24 PM
Yes, but a decent priority move hurts after two or three Close Combats. It isn't that great.
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#5LightningAce11Posted 6/21/2013 7:38:10 PM
It's fine. Stop whining about everything people.
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#6Tatakai-No-KamiPosted 6/21/2013 7:40:06 PM
close combat broke the game since gen 4
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#7-hotdogturtle--Posted 6/21/2013 7:41:35 PM
From: ClassyOldHat | #003
AnaTheCat posted...
How about they buff other attacks to not suck?


We don't need more Power Creep. I was happy with the days when Brick Break was the Best fighting move. Kept things balanced. Now you basically see Close Combat everywhere, which really speaks volume about how bad it's "downside" is.


Back in my days, we had to teach Submission to everything if we wanted a fighting-type move, and nobody complained. Why should you be so privileged to have a non-recoil attack? It was fine before.
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#8Rad_DudesmanPosted 6/21/2013 7:42:05 PM
LightningAce11 posted...
It's fine. Stop whining about everything people.


No, it isn't

Power creep has led to Close Combat/Outrage/Draco Meteor spam

http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue27/ruined

Who cares that Close Combat lowers your defenses when after using it to score a strong Choice Banded hit, you were going to switch out anyway? Why should I be concerned about the self-damaging effects of Brave Bird / Flare Blitz when the obscene power they grant allows me to power through multiple Pokémon before succumbing to recoil.
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#9scrappybristolPosted 6/21/2013 7:42:53 PM
Not really. Close Combat is only used when High Jump Kick isn't an option.
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#10Ray GunPosted 6/21/2013 7:48:51 PM
literally complaining that stall isn't as viable
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