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Whats up with this Dragons being OP thing?

#1fire2boxPosted 6/23/2013 11:55:34 PM
I haven't seriously played a new pokemon game since Diamond. So no Black/White gen 5 experience.

Are Dragons really this dominate in competitive Multiplayer? Is it just because Ice types are the only super effective moves to combat dragons?
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#2jiggardPosted 6/24/2013 12:11:53 AM
yes
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#3bd43Posted 6/24/2013 1:07:18 AM
Yes and no.

Dragons are fairly Over Powered. . . But that's because most of the ones that aren't Ubers are 600 base or Kyurem.

Every dragon with lower than 540 base isn't in OU. It's just that, with few options beyond legendaries, the dragons, and a few key cases, 540 is usually your peak.

With that in mind, Dragon could certainly use a minor check, if only to open up it's use for more, worse pokemon. But if Dragon needs a minor check, Steel needs to dump multiple resistances. That's a type that you can make any given pokemon a tier or two better by attaching to any pokemon.
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#4EdwardoMario16Posted 6/24/2013 1:09:45 AM
Modern Day Dragon is Gen 1 Psychic.

Ridiculous Offense: Only one type resists Dragon, and it's done in by Fire and Ground. What are the two most popular types of moves Dragons like to carry for coverage? Also, because only one type resists Dragon, it's very spammable, and even then, boosted Outrage/Draco Meteor still does heavy damage to Steels.

Ridiculous Defense: The one type that Dragon is weak to besides itself is Ice. As we all know, Ice is pathetic. Compounded with the fact that there are many, MANY badly designed Ice Pokemon out there. Ice is Gen 1's Ghost and Bug. A type meant to counter the Strong Type (Psychic), but done in by it's own weakness and awful design.

If you're going to go into competitive Pokemon today, you must have something to deal with a Dragon. The only Pokemon who can do that are Steels and Water Types. Other Types of Pokemon are worthless as a result. If you can't take on a Dragon, well screw you.

Dragon is overcentralizing and broken as hell.
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#5Rad_DudesmanPosted 6/24/2013 1:10:20 AM
Yeah, plenty of Pokemon wouldn't be nearly as good if they weren't part Steel. First ones that come to mind are Lucario, Jirachi, and Heatran.

And yes, Dragon is OP. The Pokemon tend to have base stats around the 600 area, and their STAB is only resisted by one type, Steel.

They're only weak against themselves, and lolIce.
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#6Hierarchy225Posted 6/24/2013 1:16:39 AM
Outrage, and Draco Meteors wreck everything. Including steel types.
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#7Chaos_MissilePosted 6/24/2013 1:22:02 AM
EdwardoMario16 posted...
Modern Day Dragon is Gen 1 Psychic.

Ridiculous Offense: Only one type resists Dragon, and it's done in by Fire and Ground. What are the two most popular types of moves Dragons like to carry for coverage? Also, because only one type resists Dragon, it's very spammable, and even then, boosted Outrage/Draco Meteor still does heavy damage to Steels.

Ridiculous Defense: The one type that Dragon is weak to besides itself is Ice. As we all know, Ice is pathetic. Compounded with the fact that there are many, MANY badly designed Ice Pokemon out there. Ice is Gen 1's Ghost and Bug. A type meant to counter the Strong Type (Psychic), but done in by it's own weakness and awful design.

If you're going to go into competitive Pokemon today, you must have something to deal with a Dragon. The only Pokemon who can do that are Steels and Water Types. Other Types of Pokemon are worthless as a result. If you can't take on a Dragon, well screw you.

Dragon is overcentralizing and broken as hell.


Adding to this when you pair Dragon with Water, you pretty much nullify one of its 2 weakness, resulting in the only thing it's weak to is itself. In other words, you'll need a Dragon yourself to counter a Dragon.

Probably a factor on why Clair's Kingdra is somewhat difficult in G/S/C/HG/SS
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#8bd43Posted 6/24/2013 1:38:04 AM
But to be fair, the analysis of Dragon pokemon comes down to one or two moves that outclass most moves and a higher BST. It's like suggesting Mewtwo would centralize OU, except no one wants to suggest a BST based ban despite how that makes more sense than a legendary ban or justifying each one in OU because they balance each other.

As a TYPE, though, I'd say Steel is worse and on paper it's illogical how much better it is. If Faity is meant to balance dragon(and it will play a minor part), Steel should lose resistances(and I suggest dark, ghost, and steel).
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#9carpediempimpPosted 6/24/2013 1:44:25 AM
Are you guys seriously comparing gen one psychic to gen five dragons

But dragon is slightly overpowered as a whole typing like a 11/10

No dragon is individually broken (more dragons have been unbanned this gen then banned)

It's just that they all remain powerful and each have specialized tasks. Allowing for them to overpower alot of mons as a team
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#10Rad_DudesmanPosted 6/24/2013 1:48:45 AM
Yeah, Steel is pretty ridiculous, resisting 11 types, which is more than half the chart.

It's somewhat balanced out by its three weaknesses being common types (Fire, Fighting, and Ground), but most commonly used Steel-types have secondary types that negate one or two of these weaknesses. An example being Skarmory, whose Flying type makes it neutral to Fighting, and immune to Ground, leaving it weak to only Fire and Electric. Then there's Scizor and Forretress. They're 4x weak to Fire, but that's also their only weakness.
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