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Is Smogon dead?

#41AzurinaiPosted 6/27/2013 2:56:23 PM
NewbieN00b posted...
Monferno_AQW posted...
Apparently Smogon has been taken down until further notice because of a hack attempt, it seems.

inb4OLDcOLDandallOLDvariations.


Something similar happened over at Serebii a bit ago. That seems to be resolved, at the moment. Though there is a notice that you should change your password if you have an account over there.


Smogon get's hacked, down for days, Serebii gets hacked, down for 33 minutes, (and it wasn't even down, you could post and everything, just your forum skins) clearly we know which has a better tech group.

-true facts.
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#42beebarbPosted 6/27/2013 3:12:26 PM
In some ways I hope Smogon stays down forever. In other ways I don't.

If it goes the elitist jerks will crowd other communities practically ruining them for everyone.
If it goes I'm not sure where the beginning teambuilder will get a decent starting point.

Their tier lists, ban lists and other such unrecognised nonsense can disappear forever and only the elitist jerks will be complaining.

Play by the official VGC rules or stick to a unauthorised simulator.
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#43DarkraiombPosted 6/27/2013 3:13:36 PM
Azurinai posted...
NewbieN00b posted...
Monferno_AQW posted...
Apparently Smogon has been taken down until further notice because of a hack attempt, it seems.

inb4OLDcOLDandallOLDvariations.


Something similar happened over at Serebii a bit ago. That seems to be resolved, at the moment. Though there is a notice that you should change your password if you have an account over there.


Smogon get's hacked, down for days, Serebii gets hacked, down for 33 minutes, (and it wasn't even down, you could post and everything, just your forum skins) clearly we know which has a better tech group.

-true facts.


IIRC, serebii once got hacked & turned into a porn site. No joke.
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#44AzurinaiPosted 6/27/2013 3:55:19 PM
Darkraiomb posted...
Azurinai posted...
NewbieN00b posted...
Monferno_AQW posted...
Apparently Smogon has been taken down until further notice because of a hack attempt, it seems.

inb4OLDcOLDandallOLDvariations.


Something similar happened over at Serebii a bit ago. That seems to be resolved, at the moment. Though there is a notice that you should change your password if you have an account over there.


Smogon get's hacked, down for days, Serebii gets hacked, down for 33 minutes, (and it wasn't even down, you could post and everything, just your forum skins) clearly we know which has a better tech group.

-true facts.


IIRC, serebii once got hacked & turned into a porn site. No joke.


I'm sure there were no complaints...

Anyway, I'm just going by recent events.
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#45GlitterGunsPosted 6/27/2013 4:14:59 PM
Darkraiomb posted...
IIRC, serebii once got hacked & turned into a porn site. No joke.


It did, back in September 2006, during the Gen IV leaks. There was a lot more than Corocoro leaking..
#46Monferno_AQWPosted 6/27/2013 5:16:30 PM
beebarb posted...
In some ways I hope Smogon stays down forever. In other ways I don't.

If it goes the elitist jerks will crowd other communities practically ruining them for everyone.
If it goes I'm not sure where the beginning teambuilder will get a decent starting point.

Their tier lists, ban lists and other such unrecognised nonsense can disappear forever and only the elitist jerks will be complaining.

Play by the official VGC rules or stick to a unauthorised simulator.


Atleast they try with tiers and ban lists. VGC rules just go "Hurr durr, ban all super legends and events", they don't even try.
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#47Oblivion_HeroPosted 6/27/2013 5:21:32 PM
Monferno_AQW posted...
beebarb posted...
In some ways I hope Smogon stays down forever. In other ways I don't.

If it goes the elitist jerks will crowd other communities practically ruining them for everyone.
If it goes I'm not sure where the beginning teambuilder will get a decent starting point.

Their tier lists, ban lists and other such unrecognised nonsense can disappear forever and only the elitist jerks will be complaining.

Play by the official VGC rules or stick to a unauthorised simulator.


Atleast they try with tiers and ban lists. VGC rules just go "Hurr durr, ban all super legends and events", they don't even try.


Furthermore, smogon does have people that create VGC sets and analyze that metagame; a good chunk of pokemon have VGC tabs on the site when it's up.
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#48ZTIger5Posted 6/27/2013 5:28:40 PM
Apathetic. I build my pokemon and battle however I want within my personally established boundaries of fairness and logic. Smogen's competitive battle restrictions and movesets are enforced by them alone based on their own preferences.
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#49beebarbPosted 6/27/2013 5:30:53 PM
Monferno_AQW posted...
beebarb posted...
In some ways I hope Smogon stays down forever. In other ways I don't.

If it goes the elitist jerks will crowd other communities practically ruining them for everyone.
If it goes I'm not sure where the beginning teambuilder will get a decent starting point.

Their tier lists, ban lists and other such unrecognised nonsense can disappear forever and only the elitist jerks will be complaining.

Play by the official VGC rules or stick to a unauthorised simulator.


Atleast they try with tiers and ban lists. VGC rules just go "Hurr durr, ban all super legends and events", they don't even try.


To be fair though, when something is truly broken or glitched it is banned in the official VGC rules. Sky Drop is banned because it's glitched, and the item Soul Dew is banned because it makes the Latis OP.

Plus, there are 'house rules' with the VGC. So certain tournament operators may choose to ban certain moves such as V-Create, or implement clauses such as the self-destruct clause, or slightly alter the Pokemon banlist.

Take a look at the AVCon house rules for an example of this:
https://www.avcon.org.au/forum/showthread.php?1245-AVCon-2013-Pokemon

Smogon's lists and rules are extreme, and I doubt any tournament house rules would ever go as far as those do.
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#50Oblivion_HeroPosted 6/27/2013 5:53:58 PM
beebarb posted...
To be fair though, when something is truly broken or glitched it is banned in the official VGC rules. Sky Drop is banned because it's glitched, and the item Soul Dew is banned because it makes the Latis OP.

Plus, there are 'house rules' with the VGC. So certain tournament operators may choose to ban certain moves such as V-Create, or implement clauses such as the self-destruct clause, or slightly alter the Pokemon banlist.

Take a look at the AVCon house rules for an example of this:
https://www.avcon.org.au/forum/showthread.php?1245-AVCon-2013-Pokemon

Smogon's lists and rules are extreme, and I doubt any tournament house rules would ever go as far as those do.


It's a give and take, and while there are some things clearly broken, people also have differing opinions on what else falls into the category and what is going too far. Some people would argue that the house rules you gave went too far.

The house rules example you gave seemed like it was specifically trying to limit the damage of rain by banning the drizzle ability and some of the most famous abusers (Manaphy, both forms of Tornadus, both forms of Thundurus). Having to manually setup your rain, thus being vulnerable to fake out, taunt or getting ohko'd, when no other weather has to deal with that arguably is a huge disadvantage rain teams face for the entire tournament, which someone could argue is unfair given none of the other weathers have that gimp.
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