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#21TherianReturnsPosted 7/3/2013 7:06:33 PM
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#22SgtCashmerePosted 7/3/2013 7:07:19 PM
My heart would beat with red hot blasts of hatred at this idea
#23Accrovideogames(Topic Creator)Posted 7/3/2013 8:43:47 PM
iKhanic posted...
Sounds awesome. Cant wait to see that awesome Espeon Glaceon combo. Base 140 Sp. Atk, 100 Sp. Def, 80 Def, 110 Speed.

It would be more like an average with slightly boosted stats (roughly 4.76%), they would all have a base stat of 550. Here's what each one's stats would be (for obvious reasons, I left out Sylveon's evolutions):

Pokémon: HP, Atk, Def, S.Atk, S.Def, Spd
Geyserion: 103, 103, 62, 107, 107, 68
Energion: 68, 103, 62, 107, 107, 103
Pyrokion: 68, 102, 63, 118, 107, 92
Hydrokion: 102, 68, 63, 126, 99, 92
Electrokion: 68, 68, 63, 126, 99, 126
Cryokion: 68, 65, 89, 136, 100, 92
Phyllokion: 68, 92, 100, 100, 83, 107
Negikion: 84, 68, 89, 99, 118, 92
Ashion: 68, 126, 99, 81, 92, 84
Methydrion: 68, 100, 89, 118, 107, 68
Uvalion: 84, 68, 89, 89, 118, 102
Arction: 102, 65, 89, 126, 100, 68
Fotosyntion: 68, 92, 99, 89, 84, 118
Algion: 102, 92, 99, 89, 84, 84
Ectrolyzion: 102, 68, 115, 100, 102
Dipolarion: 68, 65, 89, 126, 100, 102
Hoarion: 68, 89, 126, 99, 84, 84

Accrovideogames posted in another topic on March 8th 2013... (slightly edited)
The fusion is permanent so once they fuse, they can't separate. Their EVs are added then divided by two, if it results in a decimal it's rounded down in order to prevent going over the cap. For example, if Glaceon's EVs are 87, 13, 50, 201, 19 and 122 and Espeon's EVs are 214, 117, 8, 27, 99 and 45, the result is (87+214)/2, (13+117)/2, (50+8)/2, (201+27)/2, (19+99)/2 and (122+45)/2; after calculation you get 150, 65, 29, 114, 59 and 83. As for IVs, it gets very advantageous because it simply retains the highest ones. For example, if Glaceon's IVs are 15, 17, 30, 5, 16 and 21 and Espeon's IVs are 2, 19, 14, 27, 12 and 13, the result is 15, 19, 30, 27, 16 and 21.

The way natures are handled is a bit more complicated. Each nature increases one stat and lowers another except for five of them that don't change anything. The stat increased by the Glaceon's nature (by first, I'm talking about which will be the stat increased by the fusion's nature and the stat decreased by Espeon's nature will be the stat decreased by the fusion's nature. For example, if Glaceon's nature is Adamant (increases Attack) and Espeon's nature is Rash (decreases Special Defense), the result is Naughty (increases Attack and decreases Special Defense).

However, if both natures increase and decrease the same stat, it becomes a neutral nature; Hardy is for Attack, Docile is for Defense, Serious is for Speed, Bashful is for Special Attack and Quirky is for Special Defense. For example, if Glaceon's nature is Timid (increases Speed) and Espeon's nature is Sassy (decreases Speed), the result is Serious. If one nature is neutral and the other isn't, the neutral nature acts as if it's increasing or decreasing the stat that is associated to it. For example, if Glaceon's nature is Hardy (associated to Attack) and Espeon's nature is Mild (decreases Defense), the result is Lonely (increases Attack and decreases Defense). If both natures are neutral but different, the one retained is determined randomly based on the personality value. Obviously, if both natures are the same, the resulted nature is the same.

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#24slothicaPosted 7/3/2013 8:45:13 PM
I don't have a legitimate reason, but I hate this topic.
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#25bd43Posted 7/3/2013 9:10:06 PM
Accrovideogames posted...
It would be more like an average with slightly boosted stats (roughly 4.76%), they would all have a base stat of 550. Here's what each one's stats would be (for obvious reasons, I left out Sylveon's evolutions):

Pokémon: HP, Atk, Def, S.Atk, S.Def, Spd
Geyserion: 103, 103, 62, 107, 107, 68
Energion: 68, 103, 62, 107, 107, 103
Pyrokion: 68, 102, 63, 118, 107, 92
Hydrokion: 102, 68, 63, 126, 99, 92
Electrokion: 68, 68, 63, 126, 99, 126
Cryokion: 68, 65, 89, 136, 100, 92
Phyllokion: 68, 92, 100, 100, 83, 107
Negikion: 84, 68, 89, 99, 118, 92
Ashion: 68, 126, 99, 81, 92, 84
Methydrion: 68, 100, 89, 118, 107, 68
Uvalion: 84, 68, 89, 89, 118, 102
Arction: 102, 65, 89, 126, 100, 68
Fotosyntion: 68, 92, 99, 89, 84, 118
Algion: 102, 92, 99, 89, 84, 84
Ectrolyzion: 102, 68, 115, 100, 102
Dipolarion: 68, 65, 89, 126, 100, 102
Hoarion: 68, 89, 126, 99, 84, 84

The fusion is permanent so once they fuse, they can't separate.


This idea is falling further and further. Ignoring that none of those stats are particularly great, worthy of dumping two pokemon for, or particularly worthy of designing.

This is a meh idea with no prior game base that requires a huge resource dump. I'd respect a call for another pokemon similar to but different to Eevee with 5 evos this gen more. These simply aren't directions pokemon would take. This is like a 'make a name topic'.
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#26CharizardFirePosted 7/3/2013 9:11:32 PM
Accrovideogames posted...
Salamander (fire fairy)

Not true, by either definition.
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#27iKhanicPosted 7/3/2013 9:15:08 PM
Accrovideogames posted...
iKhanic posted...
Sounds awesome. Cant wait to see that awesome Espeon Glaceon combo. Base 140 Sp. Atk, 100 Sp. Def, 80 Def, 110 Speed.

It would be more like an average with slightly boosted stats (roughly 4.76%), they would all have a base stat of 550. Here's what each one's stats would be (for obvious reasons, I left out Sylveon's evolutions):

Pokémon: HP, Atk, Def, S.Atk, S.Def, Spd
Geyserion: 103, 103, 62, 107, 107, 68
Energion: 68, 103, 62, 107, 107, 103
Pyrokion: 68, 102, 63, 118, 107, 92
Hydrokion: 102, 68, 63, 126, 99, 92
Electrokion: 68, 68, 63, 126, 99, 126
Cryokion: 68, 65, 89, 136, 100, 92
Phyllokion: 68, 92, 100, 100, 83, 107
Negikion: 84, 68, 89, 99, 118, 92
Ashion: 68, 126, 99, 81, 92, 84
Methydrion: 68, 100, 89, 118, 107, 68
Uvalion: 84, 68, 89, 89, 118, 102
Arction: 102, 65, 89, 126, 100, 68
Fotosyntion: 68, 92, 99, 89, 84, 118
Algion: 102, 92, 99, 89, 84, 84
Ectrolyzion: 102, 68, 115, 100, 102
Dipolarion: 68, 65, 89, 126, 100, 102
Hoarion: 68, 89, 126, 99, 84, 84

Accrovideogames posted in another topic on March 8th 2013... (slightly edited)
The fusion is permanent so once they fuse, they can't separate. Their EVs are added then divided by two, if it results in a decimal it's rounded down in order to prevent going over the cap. For example, if Glaceon's EVs are 87, 13, 50, 201, 19 and 122 and Espeon's EVs are 214, 117, 8, 27, 99 and 45, the result is (87+214)/2, (13+117)/2, (50+8)/2, (201+27)/2, (19+99)/2 and (122+45)/2; after calculation you get 150, 65, 29, 114, 59 and 83. As for IVs, it gets very advantageous because it simply retains the highest ones. For example, if Glaceon's IVs are 15, 17, 30, 5, 16 and 21 and Espeon's IVs are 2, 19, 14, 27, 12 and 13, the result is 15, 19, 30, 27, 16 and 21.

The way natures are handled is a bit more complicated. Each nature increases one stat and lowers another except for five of them that don't change anything. The stat increased by the Glaceon's nature (by first, I'm talking about which will be the stat increased by the fusion's nature and the stat decreased by Espeon's nature will be the stat decreased by the fusion's nature. For example, if Glaceon's nature is Adamant (increases Attack) and Espeon's nature is Rash (decreases Special Defense), the result is Naughty (increases Attack and decreases Special Defense).

However, if both natures increase and decrease the same stat, it becomes a neutral nature; Hardy is for Attack, Docile is for Defense, Serious is for Speed, Bashful is for Special Attack and Quirky is for Special Defense. For example, if Glaceon's nature is Timid (increases Speed) and Espeon's nature is Sassy (decreases Speed), the result is Serious. If one nature is neutral and the other isn't, the neutral nature acts as if it's increasing or decreasing the stat that is associated to it. For example, if Glaceon's nature is Hardy (associated to Attack) and Espeon's nature is Mild (decreases Defense), the result is Lonely (increases Attack and decreases Defense). If both natures are neutral but different, the one retained is determined randomly based on the personality value. Obviously, if both natures are the same, the resulted nature is the same.


Electrokion seems like the only winner here
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#28Accrovideogames(Topic Creator)Posted 7/3/2013 9:19:57 PM
CharizardFire posted...
Accrovideogames posted...
Salamander (fire fairy)

Not true, by either definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29

It's the elemental of fire and a spirit of fire. You really don't know what fairies are.
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#29LightningHawk90Posted 7/3/2013 9:20:42 PM
No. Absolutely not. The last thing we need is half the dex being taken up by new Eeveelutions >_>
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#30Accrovideogames(Topic Creator)Posted 7/3/2013 9:35:45 PM
bd43 posted...
But the pokemon barely needs 18 evolutions. It certainly doesn't need 36 or 342 like TC wants.

Where did you get that number? Counting Eevee and excluding fusions, we're going to have 18 Pokémon in the same family. If you add up fusions, the total is 154. You seriously fail in mathematics.

RageKaiser posted...
No. Absolutely not. The last thing we need is half the dex being taken up by new Eeveelutions >_>

It's inevitable, one day there will be thousands of Pokémon and 153 Eeveelutions won't seem that much.
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